EU to bypass US sanctions on Iran

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    You're rambling nonsense. The US was against the fuel deal with Russia. So it's obvious the US is desperate to sell their oil to Europe and fix their utterly massive trade deficit.
     
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    The US raged war against the Taliban for +10 years for no reason in Afghanistan.
    The US raged war against Iraq for no reason at all.
    The US supports the genocide politically and military in Jemen.

    Seems right a country in the middle east wants to protect itself against that Jewish/Christian nation of terrorists.
     
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    We had a reason to attack the taliban

    But bush got carried away with nation building instead of thelling the military to blow up and kill ever al quieda they could find in 6 moths

    Plus any taliban that wanted to die with them

    And then coming home
     
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    No the US did not. The US had a reason to go after Al Qaida.

    Come home in body bags.... for no good reason and nothing to show for.
     
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    The taliban let the foreign fighters use afghanistan as a base of operations

    We went there to kill arabs and persians and ungrateful muslim immigrants from europe and America

    the taliban chose to die with them
     
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    you keep repeating the same article. iran is doing the same thing before the deal, and now china and russia are going to do business with iran.
     
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    Why would we pull out of NATO if we want to stand up to Iran? MAGA seems very eager to keep Iran under the US thumb, even tearing up an agreement to which they have been adhering.

    What I see in the Iranian situation is a massive failure of US diplomacy. We have one inept administration after another failing to put together a coherent, lasting policy toward Iran and others in the region. Every president takes us in different directions.

    Pulling out of NATO or threatening to do so is incredibly stupid and counter-productive. All NATO members benefit massively. It's not just a matter of military security, but access to shared intelligence and the ability to coordinate. Taking us out of NATO would harm us greatly. We would be so much more isolated, and for what? It would only benefit our adversaries and harm us.
     
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    I can provide you the link, but I can't make you click it.
     
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    If we stand up to Iran, the subject of this thread leaves us standing alone. Why should we pay 72% of the cost to defend dummies that would purposely undermine their own security and our wishes?
     
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    There is a difference between standing up to Iran and treating them unfairly. MAGA is treating them unfairly in this instance, and the EU is not undermining their own security. They are not bound to our wishes any more than we are to theirs.
     
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    Selling military supplies to Iran undermines every on within missile distance. Then why are we in NATO and how does it protect us?
     
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    Pfff. It is well known that the Taliban was willing to hunt down and catch Osama Bin Laden for the US, and have him put up for trial. And the US declined and figured they could just flip over Afghanistan and install a stooge government for their geopolitical games. In the end,... it was over 10 years of stupid Christians and Jews going back in body bags who died for a couple of bucks, and the US got nothing to show for as well. That... and the US ones again made it clear they are bunch of baby killers.
     
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    All the more reason to distance ourselves from the EU (sorry OP, my phone isn't allowing me to quote the original post).

    The EU is a money-sucking organization that RELIES on the US. They need to man up.
     
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    Smart EU plan.
     
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    That was a highly conditional offer designed to get the US to halt the bombing campain during endless negotiations thst lead nowhere

    The taliban would never have turned him over

    And the war was to wipe out all the terrorists not just one man
     
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    They just wanted him to be judged according to Islam (which is normal in all Muslim nations) in some neutral country. It's not as if he would be getting a fair trial in the US. So there is never some weird high condition over it.
    They said they would, so the end. The US turned it down, and attacked the Taliban with as sole purpose to remove that government and install a puppet regime for their geo-political games. They even surveyed the lands to see how much natural resources the country has. That shows Iran the US can not be trusted, as the US has shown they can not be trusted in the past.
     
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    We would never agree to try bin laden in an islamic court
     
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    That's because the US is biased as a victim. There is nothing unreasonable to have a court that aint biased according to the norms of the entire middle east where the guy lived all his life. And they got the death penalty and everything. While it's a fact that the US surveyed the lands for natural resources and installed a puppet regime for their neo-colonial theme / geo-political game. You're just shunning this all as if you're too embarrassed to admit what the US tried.... again. And the Afghans did not want any of that.. and they just grinded the US down over a decade by sending bodybags home full of losers of them fail causes.
     
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    I dont believe the taliban was going to turn over bin laden under any circumstances
     
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    Your opinion is irrelevant.
     
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    Its worth as much as yours
     
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    The Taliban said they would turn OBL over if the US could provide proof of his guilt.
     
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    There was general knowledge that bin laden wad guilty but the US probably did not want share sources with 14th century muslim fanatics
     

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