Europeans have no logic, because Christ is a false messiah

It's funny that we we're both born equal in knowing nothing. But now you know everything about God except that he lives. And that he lives is all I know. You say that a vision from God is a product of the brain. But if I give you a ball and you take it in your hand, would you say that the ball is a product of your hand. Do wombs conceive children without intercession? Only one child in history was conceived spontaneously. He is Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God. Being a Son of divinity, he was then divine.

 

I KNOW nothing about god. He does not exist therefore you example means nothing.
,That one child was born naturally. The nativity stories are simply made up of misinterpreted OT scriptures and Matthew and Lukes ideas. A study of the times, history and Roman and Jewish laws make a mockery of the stories. And a real study puts Joseph and family in Nazareth and Egypt at the same time. That's the only miracle. You simply believe what you are told. Try questioning matters sometime.

 

Well, well. So you do believe in mythical beings.

 

God isn't of this world. My knowledge that he lives doesn't come from this world or from people, or from hearing, reading, or myself. It comes from Gods spirit. That is my foundation. The biblical testimony sits atop this.

 

Jesus was a prophet sent to the Israelites. They might see him as "Messiah", but he was just a man, chosen by God, to tell his people about right and wrong.

 

Does the assertion in this sentence follow logically from the subordinating clause?

Europeans may have plenty of 'logic' or rational analysis that they haul out of their left brains, and then choose not to apply any of it in specific areas, times, or subjects of their lives. Most people live like this.

Is logic a strong suit of yours?

 

The Biblical 'testimony' was written by man. It has been proved fallible many times. Your knowledge came from your need to believe - conscious or subconscious.

 

Europe has no logic because Jews?

 

Jesus was simply a Jewish preacher who had been brought up from the age of 5 to learn and believe the Torah and 'oral'Torah (the complete Tanakh) by the age of 13. He saw the hypocrisy of the Priesthood and preached against it. He lived and preached Judaism - despite the 'christian' bits added by the Gospel writers. Israelites do not see him as their Messiah. Modern knowledge of ancient times throws much of the Pentatuech into disarray.

 

Your words are written by man, you. It is impossible to prove the testimony of divine events to be fallible. As for what I now know, I had no need to believe anything. You actually know God but have forgotten him. Just like when you sleep and forget your life. Then while you sleep you dream and think your dream is your life or real. But then you wake up and remember your life and say aha, this is my life. The problem is that in this process throughout life, we never fully awake, even though we think we do because it is all we've ever known in mortality. My conversion by Gods spirit was like waking up and realizing that my true life is in God rather than in myself or my life alone. To be awakened to a remembrance of God is something we cannot do for ourselves. It requires his spirit to intercede. The peace of his divinity is not of man or myself.

 

Without the nativity stories of the Bible CHRISTIANITY would not exist. Modern religions like yours would not exist. Yet these 2 stories are so accepted that without them we would not have heard of Jesus. Yet these stories are simply made up to present the Jewish preacher Jesus, as divine.
In fact both stories go against OT scripture and against the Roman Laws and Jewish practices of the time. There are at least 6 good reasons to disregard these stories and accept the fact that Jesus, the Jewish preacher, was probably born naturally in Bethlehem in Zebulon - 5 miles from Nazareth where Joseph is said to have his workshop.

When you dream you don't consciously think . Your brain is rearranging the days intake, associating it with previous experiences and storing memories. Plus many other things which are due to various states of our mind.

 

Sure. A church can have a cross outside. So what? You've never seen a billboard with a can of Cam[bell's soup on it? Is Campbell's threatening your ights with that publicly displayed can? Mormon's wear distinctive dress. So what. You probably wear shorts to the beach. Should I feel threatened by the outqard display of your legs?

 

What others believe or don't believe about religious history is really none of your business. You accuse others of proselytizing. I would suggest that the only one proselytizing here is YOU.

 

Your theories sound self serving, and rather than to evince the truth, go to warding it off. To say there is no God is to say we come from nowhere, are purposeless in existence and go nowhere. It is bleak and dream like. I can only tell you what I know, that God lives. If you change it to something else, that is on you. FWIW, I can't help but notice that you measure the purpose of dreams in your rear view, and ignore the fact that while in them, the dream is all you know.

 

While I'm in a dream I know nothing. My brain works doing that which it does without my 'Knowledge' or consent. If I were 'aware' during dreamtime I would be able to alter my dreams. During your daily life you are unaware of the millions of facts picked up by your senses. It is these facts that the brain works to separate - important and not important -and file for future use. That's how many older people can recall youthful events for the first time for decades when some incident prompts them.

My theories? If you are talking about the Nativity stories I can show you facts from the time that disprove them.

 

Proselytizing? I suppose, as an atheist, I might be calling for others to join me. My posts are to show the fallibility of religion. If anyone needs something to lean on, then ignore my posts. The Abrahamic religions are based on mythology - a study of the ancient Mesopotamian and Egyptian histories show this.

 

Another person's religious beliefs are none of your business. If your neighbor deifies turtles and worships frogs... its really none of your business at all. I don't see anyone dragging religion into these discussions but YOU.

 

God created us. You think he doesn't know how our bodies work? Even science can now perform artificial insemination. If Gods spirit can change and reorient a sincere persons heart, mind, spirit, and soul, from one thing to another, as he has mine. He can certainly cause a virgin to conceive. Back then, with a baseline of zero knowledge, the concept would be absurd. But now with hindsight, it is all the more plausible that a teenage virgin conceived a child in her womb by the spirit of God. Thus she bare up fruit to the gardener that which was his. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the living God, the first fruits of the rebirth of Israel. This I believe because I know that he lives and that his servants dispense the truth, and that the testimonies of his divinity by his servants are essentially true. Like Paul said, "For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ." Galatians 1:10
What active war did his servants wage that they were all persecuted, driven out, and/or put to death? Is the call to accountability, repentance, and to forgive, a threat to mankind? Were he and his servants all maddened alike, and the rest of the world formed whole, that Gods servants should be killed for the peace of mankind. Or was it the worlds love of evil and war that stopped his and his servants mouths and put an end to doctrines of peace. The same love of evil which then took Christs gospel and formed it into a weapon of war, to conquer the world in Gods name, a far far cry from the region of peace.

 

Europeans have no logic, because Christ is a false messiah
do you agree
ask the Jews
go to the synagogue

That's not religion?

 

Another person's religious beliefs is none of your business. If they want to worship the GREAT FROG as God... its none of your business. Just like its no one else's business if you want to be an atheist.

 

What active war did his servants wage that they were all persecuted, driven out, and/or put to death? Apart from Pauland probably Peter we don't know how most died. It is all 'by tradition' In one case we have at least 8 stories of that persons death in various ways.

You are at liberty to believe what you will. Most of which cannot be proved whereas the fallibility of scripture can.

 

I prefer not to bring scripture into any discussion at all. I'm into facts, physics... stuff like that. Scripture really isn't on my radar at all.

 

There is no fallibility in the testimonies of God by his servants. Likewise that they lived and spoke or wrote are matters of historical record. It is also a matter of historical record that thousands of followers of Jesus Christ were persecuted and put to death by the Romans and the Jews according to the laws they wrote to eliminate them. Who knows what wasn't written. There is more to yesterday than what made the news. Otherwise we are all phantoms.

 

Virgin births are not surprising in history of regions of India, the Mediterranean, China, and other places. Zoroaster's mother was a virgin, conceiving Zoroaster by a shaft of light. There are all sorts of principle individuals from various periods in history who had miraculous births. In one case, a Chinese woman stepped into the footprint of a supreme god and thus gave birth to a significant god.


Brains absolutely do produce visions, while hands are not constructed with that capability.