Evolution is a joke Pt. VIII

Be advised... I have started threads with just continue and they have been closed. I will attempt my best to address the “new” thread as best as possible to continue the discussion and then answer questions from the previous thread.

Wish me luck!

In this eighth edition to Evolution is a joke. We will continue to discuss the fact that evolution is more of a religion than science. That is why it, this discussion, is presented in the Religious forum. Based on nothing more than facts, not what others say, using websites/links, and biology itself the basis of evolution is nothing more than a hypothesis. What has happened though is that a group of individuals has taken science and used it as a tool against religion. When doing this, they have become more violent and unjustified than religious nuts that have never picked up a Bible. Discussing evolution “with some people” turn violent and they lash out in hatred when asked about their religion.

If you believe in something – know about it. Understand it… It is “faith” alone that evolution stands on. And with that, I will be more than happy to discuss evolution, the hypothesis, with anyone who has “faith” that it is actual science, which it is not.

God Bless Evolution! (okay… that was funny!)

 

I don’t know what GTFY is… I’m an old man and not suave in the art of acronyms unless they are from the Marines or Gov’t…

Interesting indeed… I have to look into this because I’m not very inept with our nervous system… I’ll look into this tonight!

Again with a smart ass post… Uhhh…. Is it you really want to be a member of the Peanut Gallery? Is that what your shooting for? Also, I seriously doubt you remember about the nervous system in detail from 12 years ago! Well, unless your still in high school trying to complete your diploma… and I seriously doubt also you had a working knowledge of the nervous system before that like Sesame Street broke down neurons and electricity in the brain for you so when you got to high school it was like watching The Count rattle off about the cerebral cortex…

 

GTFY is "google that for you." I was in a hurry and the acronym just came out. Try googling some of your questions and you'll find a lot of info.

I'm sorry. Really, sincerely, sorry. I don't like people doing that to me, and I shouldn't have done it to you. Here comes the excuse that diminishes my apology: after having you claim multiple times that you know so much about biology and I know nothing, I couldn't resist. On a related note, I find it odd that you're suddenly concerned about that kind of smartass response but didn't care when we were trading similar comments back and forth. Do you not have a similar comeback this time, so now you're offended?

The answers to your questions really are the kinds of things that a biologist knows and doesn't forget. And asking those kinds of questions expecting that they will show we know nothing about nerves simply runs counter to common sense. The answers to questions about how nerves "broadcast" are critical to neurology. We wouldn't have consistent, competent brain surgery if we knew nothing about nerves.

So, are you ready to rescind your statement that we know nothing about nerves?

I remember almost everything from advanced bio, mainly because it was further reviewed and built upon when I was getting my molecular bio degree. I can remember the way the nerve cell diagrams looked projected on the board, and the colors and positions of the ions in each state. 12 years is not a long time to remember stuff like this, especially when that same info gets exercised for another 4 1/2 of those 12 years.

 

You seem to more or less grasp the idea of random mutation but not make the connection to natural selection. So here is an example of a pressure.
Loins eat antelope, the slowest antelope is most likely to be eaten and therefore least likely to pass it slow genes. This situation is probably near an equilibrium at this point (where gaining speed makes other aspects suffer more then the speed gained) but at one point there must have been a strong pressure as in the next example: The black death arrived to man in the 14th century, in the beginning it devastated the human population. Many people died and may not have passed along their genes that were susceptible to the disease. Over time, the "pressure" (or whatever you want to call it) "selected" (or favored or whatever you want to call it) those who could better survive the situation. Today, the black death is still around, evolved some, as have we, and we are now in a kind of equilibrium mentioned in the first example. Continuing, I'd have to imagine that there was a strong "pressure" applied to the first birds inhabiting the south pole. Probably not so well equipped to handle the cold, the ones who could not retain heat, or find food in the water would likely die. The pressure to evolve better ways to retain heat, and trade those useless wings for flippers created what we call a penguin. No "planning" by the genes required, any combination of genes is a valid choice but only the ones that create a successful life cycle are able to exist.

It requires no "faith" to understand these rather simple explanations.

 

Cancer can be developed in many ways but it also runs in families. So, yes it can. But cancer isn't the point, it's one example of many lethal traits that can be passed to offspring. A gene that causes full blown ALS in a newborn doesn't have much chance to be prevalent, the gene that causes it when your 50 is possible since it's after the age of reproduction.

 

To argue against evolution, even as a die hard Christian, is stupid. It is all BUT explicitly proven. In fact, even as a Christian, I would admit there is mroe "concrete" evidence supporting evolution than there is an existence of a God. The Bible does not once say we cannot be okay with scientific advances.

 

I’m just tired of it… I only do it when someone starts it first. I will never be the first offender and never have been…

I know the basic biology of nerves. Dealing with “what” and how they do the things they do is incredible. The nervous system is the most complex thing we have run into in our known universe. How is it getting burned hurts less than getting kicked in the nads? How do they “know” sensitivity?

I already stated I don’t know much as well as saying basic knowledge…

I would agree… thus putting you at about 7… Now do you work in the field of neurology? Makes a big difference…

Me on the other hand – you may have to do some multiplication! Take your years of 7 and multiply that by 3.5… Now, where I work and what gets brought back to me is when I deal with Geologist and Archeologist… I don’t do human body… more of animal and ecosystems on Gov’t land….

 

You mean the non existant interior government agency?

I post the list in the previous thread and your department wasn't in it...

 

This is incorrect. Usually it is children or the old that get eaten by predators… And the ones that mate are the strongest out of the herds.

Or it just dumb luck of an animal getting injured by twisting a leg during a mating ritual or getting hurt during something else… The slowest thing is not how it happens – ever… The hyenas don’t look out across the plain and go, “That one over there – he looks slow…” No, they rally up – put them on the run, and when one messes up and takes a right instead of a left the pack closes in, but usually target infants, but dumb luck gives them a prize every now and then. The hyena is my favorite animal on this world! Studied it a lot!

When hyena’s attack lions, do you think they pick out the slowest or weakest? No they pick out whatever is there because the pack is hungry and they really don’t care… Same with the wild dogs… and basically everything on this planet. Seals don’t select the slowest penguins – or the dumbest… they get what they can when they can get it…

I think you are going to need another example of pressure, because that one doesn’t work too well…

That explanation is adaptation…

I understand them, I just don’t think they give examples of complexity which evolution is, dealing with common ancestry…

 

When speaking of cancer if one gets a mutation of cancer (like lung cancer) it cannot be passed on if that person breeds during the time of that cancer.

Now, you can be genetically inclined to be more acceptable to cancer, but you surely won't be born with it like AIDS...

 

God nor religion has any relevance to this discussion… You being Christian is also has no relevance…

Thank you for sharing your opinion which is based on your religion.

 

Many type of cancer, like breast cancer are hereditary...

 

P. G. - Bored?

http://www.doi.gov/index.cfm

Yep... your right... non existant Department of Interior... again your post just OOZE with intelligence...

Always love getting posts from the PG...

 

No breast cancer is NOT hereditary... BRCA1 and BRCA2 everyone has genius... When mutations happen in these sequences you get breast cancer... The gene is called BREAST CANCER 1 AND BREAST CANCER 2 since you didn't know...

Man, I tell you over and over and over - LOOK THINGS UP BEFORE YOU POST STUFF!!! But you never do...

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So, yes - everyone has Breast Cancer... BRCA1 and 2 are in every woman!!

 

And if your grandmother and mother died from it you have a greater chance of dying from it too! Unless you want to take on the medical field as badly as you are doing with the biological field.


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I'm pretty sure he's talking about when you said you work for the division of resource protection. Neither he nor I can find that anywhere on the DoI's website. (This search doesn't turn it up.) Perhaps you could link to it for us?

 

Okay, well that's simply not true. Here is you telling me that I (and some other poster's followers, which did not include me) don't know anything about evolution. I think I had three responses to you prior to that post, and none of them accused you of being ignorant of a subject.

You used the idea that "we" (presumably meaning the scientific community) "know nothing about nerves" to prop up your claim that evolution is not a theory. Will you take that back now and acknowledge that the scientific community actually knows a lot about nerves?

I work in computers now and don't use that knowledge except in discussions (like this one). Anyway, I have a hard time believing that a biologist would forget that this stuff is known, even if the details fade away.

 

Yes, it is the young or elderly that get picked off the easiest. You've just made my point.

Can you imagine that a gene that made an animal as small or weak as the young and old (In their prime) would not be successful? You're still not understanding the concept.

 

My opinion isn't based on religion. What exactly IS it that you think happened then? Spontaneous human?

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thank You!!!!!


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I dare say his opinion of evolution was not based on his religion.

 

You are exactly right… I did say

You must be talking about the 0 for 4’s… Well, next time you introduce yourself in a thread, don’t side up with a group known for not knowing anything about evolution. Ones that say that speciation is just another word for evolution which is another word for adaptation… At this - you hijacked another discussion. If you didn’t want to be associated with that group then you shouldn’t have posted within that conversation…

Okay… I’ll say this – if we equated nerves to a BMW we wouldn’t know anything compared to the person who engineers a BMW. Do you know why? Because he has math for acceleration, body, wind resistance, how it will respond in untested conditions, all kinds of stuff… We do not know to that extent about nerves. The complexity of our nervous system is ridiculous and we have a tip of the iceberg knowledge about it, well… from what I remember and I do ask a lot of questions… I am noticing within Biology I was a black sheep then because I was a skeptic, seems I still am with the new biologist also…

Questions – where does the electricity within our nervous system come from?

How do nerve ending know how to answer back?

What causes the electricity to flow and how the heck does it know what path to take?

These questions are probably answered by now, who knows… But, if I got back into human biology, I’d probably have about 100 of them!

I lived in Japan for 1 year and spoke it pretty good, enough to get me what I wanted and understand enough to function without troubles. I know nothing now accept – hello, goodbye, will you go home with me tonight, where are you going, what and it’s hot… If it’s not used – then you forget it over time… I was a SysAdmin for the first 4 years after college… it was fun! Never thought I would have to lean back on my Biology Degree since the market in computers was BOOMING at that time…

The old intellectuals get together about twice a month and talk about evolution, God, Star Trek (Kirk and all other SciFi), and just things… We are all strapped with our phones or internet access when someone calls bull (usually due to alcohol consumption) but it is A LOT of fun! You should get some of your folks and try it… Be sure you are good friends, because some people don’t like to be told they are wrong and, as you have seen in these threads, can come to be quite nasty and childish…

 

You said the slow do....

Those young could have had the fastest most intelligent genes there was on the planet. The dear's genes - screw it! The dear would talk speak three (3) different languages and moon walk on it's hind legs... Doesn't matter, it was young and was not faster than the lions. Do you know why? Because no matter how fast the children are, they ALL will be slower than the animals that prey on them.

There are no pressures. It is PURE LUCK that prey make it to adulthood. Nothing more, nothing less.... it could be as simple as the wind blowing your scent in a certain direction that ensures your survival, and that zebra is the stupidest and slowest zebra ever to live on the planet…

Okay… question – what are the pressures that will stop us all becoming midgets? (is midget Politically Correct?)

You said the slow do....

Oh, I understand it, I just don’t think you know what’s happens in the wild and what is observed. You are going off of hearsay, as I see it, and not knowing what happens “out there”. Question: How does a predator know the intelligence of the thing it’s about to eat? How does it know it has advancements that might not have surfaced yet for its evolutionary next step in life and thus it must not chose this animal to overpower and digest, but go for something more frail and stupid?

A snake looks out from its coil to see a mouse skipping along. Wait a minute… that looks like bat wings developing on its back… knowing I could kill it in an instant, I better let that one go by to reproduce and make bat mice and wait for his slow stupid cousin…

The insects that fly in webs are somehow less of an insect from those who don’t?

Come on… you can’t believe this, because this is what you stated, “That only the slow beast will get killed and thus only the strong ones will survive to breed… “ That is the furthest thing that happens within nature…

I could go into the whole thing that each ecosystem is different and thus this demonstration makes absolutely no sense as in one ecosystem it may be better to be slow than fast or whatever difference, so how is a breed of life going to adapt to each ecosystem if this is the case? Everything is only primed for their ecosystem and all of it works together in equilibrium. When an invasive species enters this garden of eden… well… you already know right?