F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh really.

    What did I say that wasn't true?

    Let's look at your reasoning.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    perhaps I'm just not obsessed by it... btw I was referring to an actual finding, not the existence of an investigation which you so swiftly assume so you can get your dig in
     
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    Virtually everything you posted. It’s a series of debunked talking points masquerading as “collusion”.

    I’ll tell you what: you take the time to cite to a serious source verifying those as factual, and then explain how any of that bs is magically “collusion” with the Russians, and I’ll take those goofy claims apart at the seams.
     
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    There can’t be a finding until the investigation is completed. Data practices 101.
     
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    Muelller's Papadopoulos "Bombshell" was just another dud.

    "At least on paper, Papadopoulos’s knowledge appeared to hold the key to a number of mysteries in the Russia investigation — including whether high-ranking Trump campaign officials unlawfully conspired with Moscow to tip the election. But Mueller and his team knew better, and from the very beginning, they left us breadcrumbs signaling that Papadopoulos wasn’t all he was cracked up to be."
    NEW YORK MAGAZINE, RUSSIA PROBE 1:40 A.M., Why the Mueller Probe’s Papadopoulos Bombshell Fizzled, By Cristian Farias, 9/11/18.
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/amp/2018/09/papadopoulos-bombshell-fizzled.html
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :rolleyes: no kidding
     
  7. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok I'll play, lets see how good of a seamstress you are.

    Obama does nothing in Ukraine:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/obama-ukraine-russia-putin-219783

    Obama does nothing in Syria:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...yria-obama-trump-assad-chemical-douma/557486/

    Obama slurping Medvedev like a popsicle:



    Money paid to Clintons via Putin controlled sources:

    https://www.politifact.com/punditfa...hecking-clinton-cash-author-claim-about-bill/

    Money flowing to Clintons during uranium sales to Russia:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

    I'd link you some articles about how bad Russia was before Nov 8, 2016, but they don't exist.

    Spin your little magic wheel.
     
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  8. HumbledPi

    HumbledPi Well-Known Member

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    The danger is with a president that sides with Russia over the United States. Trump took the notes from the interpreter he had in the private meeting with Putin in Helsinki. He took them and told the interpreter not to discuss what transpired with anyone.

    https://www.axios.com/trump-sought-...als-12f027cd-55e3-424e-9be4-029dddb181bd.html

    WaPo: Trump sought to hide details of conversations with Putin from admin officials

    Details: After meeting with Putin in Germany in 2017, Trump reportedly took notes from his own interpreter and instructed them not to discuss the contents of the conversation with other administration officials. This is just one example of what Miller reports is "a broader pattern" of Trump shielding his communications with Putin from the public as well as senior government officials — a pattern that has resulted in there being "no detailed record" of his face-to-face meetings with the Russian leader at "five locations over the past two years."
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes because prior to Trump becoming president, all previous presidents released transcripts of their conversations with all world leaders.
     
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    Yes, The Clintons, as opposed to Trump, had extensive contacts with Russian officials for decades - for money.

    The Clinton and Obama administrations were very tight with Putin. Trump has been thge most anti-Russia president since Reagan.

    For instance:
    "The Trump administration has approved the largest U.S. commercial sale of lethal defensive weapons to Ukraine since 2014. The move was heavily supported by top Trump national security Cabinet officials and Congress but may complicate President Trump’s stated ambition to work with Russian President Vladimir Putin."
    THE WASHINGTON POST, Trump administration approves lethal arms sales to Ukraine, By Josh Rogin, December 20, 2017.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ukraine/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6f04e85b4276
     
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    I love when leftists challenge it, as if it isn't the easiest thing in the world to make them look ridiculous when they do.
     
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    The odd thing is that the Left has actually opposed Trump's moves to check Russian aggression.

    "Russia’s deputy foreign minister, Grigory Karasin, told Russian state media that the US decision “raises the danger of derailing the process of peaceful settlement in Ukraine”. The de facto change in policy, signed off by the state department and the Pentagon earlier this year, is likely to escalate tensions between the US and Russia."
    THE GUARDIAN, US provision of weapons to Ukraine could fuel conflict, Russia says, Foreign minister Grigory Karasin says supply of ‘defensive’ aid could derail peace process in eastern Ukraine’s civil war, By Mattha Busby, Sat 23 Dec 2017.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ns-to-ukraine-could-fuel-conflict-russia-says
     
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    It's so adorable watching "liberals" side with law enforcement, spies, and the military over an elected president. I honestly think most "liberals" would prefer to live under a military junta than let Trump be president.
     
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    Did Trump meet in private with Kim Jong-Un? They had a 'private' meeting but it included people from each delegation, so it was not one-on-one as the Helsinki meeting was.
     
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    It's even more adorable when Trump supporters are reaching further and further away trying to spin something out of nothing. I side with the United States, this is who I side with. I will never side with a compromised president who is destroying our country and who has been a target of a counter-terrorism investigation.
     
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    The stupid thing about this report is that an investigation by the FBI was opened before Trump won the Presidency. Comey leaked information to the press before he was fired so a special council would get appointed. Up till then the FBI had yet to find anything other than the Hillary opposition research, which, BTW, the CIA knew about a month before the FBI did. There is a reason they knew that earlier because certain CIA operatives were involved in helping to create it.
     
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    Of course they did, as they should have. That's what the American people demand, transparency.
     
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    So you side with a compromised FBI and CIA but hey, you side with America. LOL
     
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    Democrats are just trying to find a new unprecedented way to get around executive privilege.
     
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    You side with fascist law enforcement agencies, corrupt spies, and an imperialist military.
     
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    Great. Link us to all of Obama's transcripts.

    Let's start with Castro.
     
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    Wait, what did Comey leak to the press? The counter-terrorism investigation was ongoing when Comey was fired. The counter-terrorism investigation began with the investigation of Russia hacking our election. The FBI found solid evidence that Trump was involved with Russians. Only they know what it was but when they found that out, he became the target of the investigation.
     
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    Who cares? Trump made no secret of his desire to improve our relations with Russia. He talked about it repeatedly during his presidential campaign. Voters agreed with Trump and elected him president. Get over it.
     
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    You're just trying to discredit anyone that can prove Trump is a traitor, a liar, a conspirator and overall just a great big lump of trash.
     
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    What do you think the dossier was all about? That was before Comey was fired for cause. The FBI never found any evidence Trump was involved with the Russians other than the still unverified dossier. Remember, this was the insurance policy in case Trump won the presidency.
     

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