Feminists in Sweden flee no-go zones overrun with Islamic refugees

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  1. Louisiana75

    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    http://www.dailywire.com/news/15006/feminists-sweden-flee-no-go-zones-overrun-islamic-joseph-curl#

    "Famed feminist Nalin Pekgul, who called attention to the rising insecurity of women in the suburbs, says she now avoids the center of town in Tensta, where she had lived for 30 years. And the former Left Party official Zeliha Dagli has moved from Husby to the inner city.

    Pekgul says she no longer feels safe in her home town, adding that Muslim fundamentalists now have full control of the center. She says "religious fundamentalists gained increasing space in the area and the place of women in the public sphere diminished," according to SVT, a television station in Sweden. Pekgul had sought to raise the issue by holding coffee shop meetings, but she's been forced to give those up."

    Why would anyone welcome this culture into their culture knowing what the consequences would be? They are not coming to be friendly and assimilate. We cannot let this happen in America. I would love to hear the arguments from the left because I can't fathom what the reasons to allow refugees in would be.
     
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    Does Islam have anything to offer the West other than pain?

    Is there anything touched by Islam that doesn't turn to sh-t?
     
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    I knew this had to be from one of those right wing clickbait sites that promote fearmongering and peddle the false notion that Europe is lawless because of Middle Eastern immigrants. That's a message that's easy to sell to people who don't know much, and respond to the fearmongering that is core to right wing media (and core to Trump's message).

    But I never got to read the article. The clickbait and pop ups were overwhelming.

    So, I Googled the name of the town metioned in the OP.

    Not surprisingly, I found a bunch of stuff from right wing fake news sites and trash blogs like Breitbart, all peddling anti Islamic xenophobia.

    I found articles in Swedish too. All of them pretty tame local news.

    I also found a story by a reporter who had actually been there to see what these "no go zones" so heavily promoted in American far right wing media are really like.

    Not surprisingly, they aren't particularly dangerous or lawless.

    Surprisingly, the author noted that the meme being promted in the OP's article is also promoted by Breitbart (no secret there, fearmongering is a core message with them), but also by Sputnik, the Kremlin propoganda service.

    https://www.vice.com/en_se/article/...bout-what-its-like-to-live-in-no-go-zones-726

    Still more evidence of what Clint Watts told the Senate Intelligence Committee last week. That the Russian efforts to influence American politics are amplified by the fact that far right wing media and Russian propoganda outlets parrot the same themes, fearmongering, distrust of institutions, and xenophobia.

    Leave it to the OP to provide a near perfect textbook example.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...alizes_on_american_racism_and_xenophobia.html
     
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  4. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Swedish cops issue anti groping wrist bands.
    https://www.thelocal.se/20160629/swedish-police-to-hand-out-anti-groping-armbands

    Stockholm venue suspends club nights due to repeated sexual assaults
    https://www.thelocal.se/20170331/st...s-club-nights-due-to-repeated-sexual-assaults

    Tell me Tom, what benefit does the West gain by mixing cultures? Would you want your daughter near these people at night? From the way it looks, Muslims infiltrate an area and piss on the host country by turning it into the crap hole they escaped from.

    And there are plenty of other stories about Muslims behaving badly, so I have no idea why you defend them.

    I've said this before, liberals hate everything Muslims stand for and Muslims hate everything liberals stand for.
     
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    I wouldn't worry about all that. The University of Alaska-Fairbanks is planning to construct a new building in the shape of a vagina. This will raise awareness of the existence of the patriarchy in Western Society serving as a converting example to all who immigrate to the west.
     
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    "Tell me Tom, what benefit does the West gain by mixing cultures? "

    The United States was built on it.

    Oh, and tell me Steve, why would you ask when only one of the two article you posted mentioned anyone from a Muslim country?

    Furthermore, why would you post something from a site run largely by people who aren't Swedish?

    Of course, you tried to evade my main point.
     
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    The key word is mix.
     
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    You noticed that, huh? Why do you think Muslims weren't mentioned? Here, I'll show you why:

    Sweden prohibits hate speech, and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten or express disrespect for an ethnic group or similar group regarding their race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, faith, or sexual orientation.[70][71] The crime does not prohibit a pertinent and responsible debate (en saklig och vederhäftig diskussion), nor statements made in a completely private sphere.[72] There are constitutional restrictions pertaining to which acts are criminalized, as well limits set by the European Convention on Human Rights.[73] The crime is called Hets mot folkgrupp in Swedish which directly translated can be translated to Incitement (of hatred/violence) towards population groups.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#Sweden
     
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    And that's why it's only a matter of time before the "relationship" between them will eventually implode but not without the libs battling each other over it first. It will be fun to watch.
     
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    That's just like when liberals say "mostly peaceful protests" after half a city gets burned down on the lie you guys peddle.

    You don't have much (read: any) credibility when it comes to defining peaceful vs violent, or in this case, dangerous vs safe.

    PS: You forgot to blame talk radio, are you ok?
     
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    Indeed it was - we used to call it "The Melting Pot" Problem is, Europe doesn't have anything remotely like it apparently. That's why you have sprawling ghettos containing 4th-generation minorities of some kind or another that think of themselves as Muslims instead of Frenchmen, or whatever country they're in. THIS article explains why you had the French riots a decade back but are less likely to see them here. The US has this to a degree, but nowhere near like what exists in Europe. But hey, look HERE or HERE for some other explanations.

    Bottom line is that you're right, the US was built on mixing cultures. It stops working when the other cultures cease to want to mix in. Then what?
     
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    In a word; humanity.

    And the problem has nothing to do with Islam whatsoever. What is the problem? The poor implementation. Any idiot, except the idiots in our government, would have realized that clumping a bunch of socioeconomically disadvantaged people in ghettos is a bad idea. It's always been a bad idea, and it's always bred the same kinds of problems.

    Besides, that article is highly sensationalized. That person named Pekgul? According to her own statements, she never actually had any trouble with the people in Tensta. She only decided to leave the place preemptively.
     
  13. Steve N

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    Russ, let me tell you a story about two friends of mine who I went to school with. After graduation they both went to journalism school and both were hired by CBS in NYC. Together they became cameramen and film editors which took them to all parts of the world. Frank, an uber liberal, Clinton supporter and donor, goes all in for progressive causes. Joe, a Jehovah's Witness, just calls 'em as he sees 'em. They've both covered numerous stories in Europe and the ME for CBS and 60 minutes and both were almost killed covering Hurricane Katrina.

    Frank the Liberal says there are no such things as no-go zones in Europe and all that bunk was created by Fox News. Joe reminds Frank about the times they were scared out of their minds, threatened by Muslims, and were prevented by the police from going into Muslim infested areas for their own safety. Frank says he's exaggerating. Joe reminds him about how CBS pulled them out of certain areas in FRANCE because it was too dangerous to remain there. Frank says CBS was overly cautious. Joe INSISTS they were both in no-go zones (although CBS doesn't refer to them like that) Joe insists no-go zones exist and are being downplayed for political reasons. Frank sticks to his story about no-go zones being a conservative fairy tale while Joe reminds him of how they both wanted more security and protection. Joe reminds Frank how CBS didn't want to send female crews to these areas, Frank says none were available.

    During a debate we once had about Bill O'Reilly, I threw into Franks' face the Dan Rather scandal and Memogate. Frank said it didn't matter if the documents were fake or who falsified them, that they existed made them news and worthy of reporting, and that, by the way, was the position CBS took internally. Frank blocked me on Facebook about 8 months ago, he called me a racist of the worst kind.

    I tried to get both of them to join this board about a year ago. Frank called this place a right wing circle jerk, Joe doesn't do politics.
     
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    Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
     
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    Whose vagina? They don't all look alike.
     
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    I heard Rosie O'Donnell's.
     
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    That was a nothing sandwich if there ever was one But then, I'm used to posting facts, and you're used to making stuff up.
     
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    Your post was not a Swedish publication.

    And you still are trying to evade my main point.

    This Sweden (insert the name of the European country)-is-a-hellhole-because-of-muslims narrative that you guys eat like catnip are heavily promoted by the Russian media and far right wing media here. Xenophobia, pure an simple We also know that the Russians use bots to push stories like this to your FB page in order to promote and pader to your fears and parochial world view.
     
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    I'm not sure, why do you bother? You are probably busy taking in Muslim refugees for humanitarian relief, right?
     
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    Confirmed. OP is a big steaming pile of right-wing propagandic bullshit.

    http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6630452

    Unsurprisingly, the Russian governments propaganda outlet mirrors this right-wing meme that has been racing around the right-wing fake news sites for quite a while now.
     
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    Tell it to this guy.

     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Google videos for Swedish no go zones and get back to us.
     
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    It is pretty ridiculous! As if anyone's survival was threatened by ginned up stories about Sweden!
     
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    That clip appears on RT.com, the Russian government's propaganda arm. Why am I not surprised that it has propagated through the Russo-phile Right's usual sites?
     
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    I googled actual stories and provided one. Sorry, but youtube videos aren't a particularly good source of context. I realize that some people can only pay attention to a few minutes worth, but some more expansive information is usually necessary.
     

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