Fifty Senior Republican Security Officials: "Trump is dangerous"

would you support Hillary giving these 50 republicans, appointments, in positions of power, to modify policy in many departments, without democrat oversight once appointed? would you go that far to support these republicans in that way? or are you only supporting them because you have something to gain from them today? and tomorrow once you're done with them, will you then go back to demonizing them and suggesting they be removed from office or appointments because you don't like them? convince me you are sincere and genuine, would you support Hillary appointing these 50 republicans to positions of power where they can modify policy unchecked?

 

Why would any of that matter? It doesn't. These people aren't trying to get jobs. They served previous Republican presidents and congressmen.. They aren't Democrats. So why would a Democrat appoint them? These are the people who kicked Saddam out of Kuwait. These are the people who over saw the collapse of the Soviet Union. These people have a lot of credibility. They served under Reagan, and both Bushs. Some of these people will not vote for Hillary or any Democrat. But they want people to know they believe Trump is a clear and present danger to the nation.

As much as you want this to be about me, it isn't. This is about The Donald and the threat he poses to the nation and to the world. I have seen a lot of elections and I have never seen anything even remotely like this. I have never seen the party intelligentsia revolt, and that's what this is. This should be cause for concern. But for many Republicans or so called conservatives, it isn't.

 

You mean people in the pocket of the military industrial complex that pushed to invade Iraq,right? because that's who the people in that list are.

That didn't turn out so well.

 

ahhhh so your true colors finally come out and you confirm everything I said... you soundly reject these republicans any other day of the week, except on this ONE issue where you can use them to your advantage to gain political power, you suggest we should support them and listen to them... but as soon as you gain the political power you want, you are back to throwing them to the wayside and trashing them as the horrible evil republicans they are and they should have no positions of power or voice...

you see the irony?

"listen to them so democrats get their way, but once they do, stop listening to them they are trash"

 

No, I mean what I have repeatedly said. You have no evidence any of these individuals are in the pocket of the "military industrial complex"...oops. This is the real world and unfortunately for you and those like you facts do matter to most Americans. Not one of these people made the decision to invade Iraq. A Republican president and vice president made those decisions.

These are the guys who advised Bush I not to take over Iraq during the first Iraq war. As evidenced by you and those like you, the Donald is trying to discredit these people. But the fact is these are very credible Republican foreign policy experts. And they aren't the only ones who have serious problems with The Donald and see him as a threat to the nation. The list of Republican congressmen who oppose Trump is growing. Republican donors do not support Trump. The Kochs who have funded the Republican Party and related think tanks for decades and had intended to spend almost a billion dollars on this presidential election aren't. The Republican Party is in a state of disarray. It's crumbling in upon itself, and you are an example of and an integral part of the demise of the Republican Party.

So whither you can or cannot see the fact that The Donald is an existential threat to the Republican Party and to the nation, others can. As each day passes, more and more Republicans either leave the party or refuse to vote for The Donald. That's a fact.

 

True colors.....are you on drugs? As I told you before, it matters little what I think of these 50 people. What matters is these people are senior Republican foreign policy advisers and they are very explicitly speaking out against The Donald and have called him a clear and present threat to the nation and to the world. They aren't Democrats. These are the people Trump would need to rely on if he were to win the presidency, unless of course he appointed Democrats to these key positions. But I seriously doubt any Democrat would accept such an appointment. They wouldn't want to destroy their credibility.

There is no irony here. I'm not attacking these individuals, nor did I attack them before, nor am I praising them. I have never attacked any of them and see no reason to do so even now. Unfortunately for you, and as much as you wish it were otherwise, I'm not the issue here. The issue here is Republicans and very senior Republicans are leaving the Republican Party in droves, like rats leaving a sinking ship. As each week passes more and more Republicans announce they will not vote for Trump and assert that he is a clear and present danger to the nation, world, and democracy. One could expect Democrats might say that, but that's extreme even for Democrats. But for Republicans to say that as they have done and continue to say, well that's just unheard of. That's remarkable. As I said before, I have never seen anything like it.

The bottom line here is you are making (*)(*)(*)(*) up in order to evade a reality you find unpleasant. Trump is losing and the Republican Party is imploding and you don't understand why. I'm sure you find it confusing.

 

I can pick assertions apart if you like.
but here's one: "Donald Trump is holding a reception at Bridget and Bill Koch's home in Oyster Harbors. According to an invite obtained by FOX25, it's $2,700 for the reception, $10,00 for a photo opportunity and $25,000 per couple to be on the host committee. "

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/protestors-rally-in-barnstable-before-trump-dinner/418561790

Nobody should be donating a billion dollars to politics,ever.
The limit should be $2000,as it was.

That's because they know their "party" is over.Time to go home.

 

Oh, please do.

Well here is the thing, Bill Koch is not a part of the Koch brothers to which I referred. When people refer to the Koch brothers they mean Charles and David Koch. Bill Koch has nothing to do with Koch Industries or his brothers and their political enterprises. Bill Koch held a fund raiser for his neighbor. That doesn't change the fact that the Koch Brothers, the people who have largely funded the Republican Party and related think tanks for decades and had planned on spending nearly a billion dollars this year alone on the presidential election aren't.

Well, I would agree with you there. But Republicans on the US Supreme Court in their Citizens United ruling have thrown out restrictions on campaign finance, and Republicans in congress have done nothing to fix it. Thanks to Republican Supreme Court Justices unlimited amounts of secret money can now be spent on American political campaigns.

Yes the old Republican Party, the Republican Party I knew, died a long time ago. And that's unfortunate, we need two healthy political parties and that's not what we have today.

 

it matters a LOT that you would throw them under the bus on any other issue, but on this ONE issue you support them, as if thats supposed to carry some weight because you finally found something you "agree" with a republican, well kinda, you don't actually agree with them, you just want to USE them for your own gains, you want to use them to give yourself power, you want to use them to accomplish your goals... thats not agreeing with someone on principle, thats using someone for power... thats corruption... like I pointed out to others supporting them for their own gains, you are not "agreeing" with republicans on anything, you're using them to gain power for yourself... thats not a victory or something to be proud of, or in some way shameful of me for challenging your own morals and values and demonstrating the immense flaws...

I'm not "making (*)(*)(*)(*) up" to evade anything, I'm pointing out the immense hypocrisy you're demonstrating, by supporting someone for your gains, when seconds after you gain that power, you will toss them aside again and demonize and vilify them... because you never "agreed" with them, all you agreed with was using them for political gains... you know the very thing Bernie just spent an entire campaign running AGAINST, you're sitting here supporting and propagating... it seems you're immensely confused here... you think "agreeing" with someone on principle is what you're doing, you're not, you're USING them for gain... thats corruption my friend, corruption...

so if you wouldn't appoint these republican to powerful cabinet positions in a Hillary presidency, you're not "agreeing" with the republicans, you're USING them for power...

learn the immense difference... content of character matters to some people, I can see it does not matter to you... thats likely why you support Hillary...

 

Dude, I don't think you are capable of rational thought.

The 50 Republicans who wrote the letter have nothing to do with me. It doesn't matter what I think about them or their policies. Are your really that dense? The fact is these are very senior Republican leaders who have worked for past Republican presidents and they have written a public letter warning that Trump is dangerous to the nation and to the world. That letter wasn't addressed to me. I know that. That letter was addressed and for people like you, who don't know or want to believe that.

Republicans are deserting the party in droves, like rats leaving a sinking ship. Some of the 50 have chosen to support Hillary and the Democrats and some haven't. A number of Republicans in congress have not endorsed Trump and some have gone even further and denounced Trump just as the 50 senior Republican foreign policy advisers have done.

Your party, the Republican Party, is falling apart before your eyes and it's going to get worse and you are one reason why it's happening. You and others like you had a big role in the demise of the Republican Party. No one should celebrate the predicament the Republican Party is in. America needs a functional and healthy two party system to keep its democracy alive. But that's not what we have today. We haven't had it for a very long time. With the advent of Republican entertainment, things have gone down hill for the party. The party has become the fact free party, the party that doesn't need reality. But reality is going to take a big chunk of of the Republican Party's derriere. Let's hope a new and better conservative movement arises from the ashes of what once was the Grand Old Party. But at this point, I don't see how that is possible.

 

so it doesn't matter what you think of them, yet you're telling me to believe and trust them and to side with them? do you have a habit of telling people to believe people that you yourself don't believe in or trust or value any other time of the day, except the time of day you can use them to gain power and control over others? to steal your line,are you capable of the rational thought that comes with this? do you not understand the immense corruption, hypocrisy, and sheer lack of content of character you're demonstrating by telling me I should listen to people that you despise any other day of the week, except when you can use them for your own political advantages?

P.S. another assumption you're making is that they are MY party, they are not, I've stated numerous times on this website, and I've clearly attacked enough republicans and put them on defense for their actions that I don't belong to ANY party... but I'm not going to stand by idle and allow the corruption of the other side to simply be ignored or tossed aside either... you seem to think anyone who dare challenge you, must be the enemy, perhaps for once you should pause and realize, someone challenging you in this instance is merely pointing out that its YOUR thinking thats flawed in this instance, and not simply challenging you because they are the enemy...

 

Finally....it makes no difference whither I like or dislike them. When have I told you to believe and trust them? I haven't. That's you making (*)(*)(*)(*) up again.

This really isn't that difficult or at least it shouldn't be. Republicans, including senior Republicans, are jumping ship because they fear Trump and what he would do to the country. I agree with them. It's abundantly clear Trump is a clear and present danger to not only the country but the world at large. What Trump is advocating would endanger the world. The world doesn't need the uncertainly a Trump presidency would create nor does it need to abolish the institutions and policies which have prevented a third world war. His economic policies have been debunked by history and empiricism i.e. science.

So you are a Republican but you don't want to be called a Republican? Well that makes sense. That's vogue in so called conservative circles.

My thinking is flawed? How so? Thus far you have yet to point out any flaws on my part. What you have done and continue to do is repeat Republicans i.e. so called conservative memes. When have I told you not to listen to anyone? I haven't. You are making (*)(*)(*)(*) up again. I'm not Fox News. I'm not in any way related to the Republicans i.e. conservative entertainment industry. Unlike them, I don't tell people not to listen to anyone. The unfortunate fact for you is you have yet to be able to make a cogent argument and have relied heavily on illogical argument e.g. straw man arguments. Seriously, I suggest you sign up for a course in logic at a junior college. It will help you formulate your thoughts and make cogent arguments.

Do you even know what corruption is? Just where is this corruption you see on "the other side"? The problem you and those like you have, is you never have any evidence to support your assertions. The only one who has used the term enemy is you. But that's not surprising, because that is how Republicans i.e. so called conservatives think. That's why the are always quick to brandish their guns. Unfortunately for Republicans i.e. conservatives they cannot and will not brandish their way to power.

When senior members of the Republican Party sound warnings about the party's nominee as they have done, well, that's unprecedented. But it's good to see there are some Republicans who have put country over party. It's good to see that there are a few Republicans who do have some moral fiber and courage. It's good to see a few good Republicans. I had almost lost hope. We need more of them.

 

corruption is YOU telling us to listen to people YOU oppose simply because YOU have something to gain by supporting them momentarily... YOU will stop telling us to listen to them after YOU gain what it is you seek... so YOU are the corruption... YOU really are struggling very hard to justify and rationalize this aren't you?

 

Are you seriously that dense? Where have I told you to listen to people I oppose simply because I have something to gain? The fact is you are making (*)(*)(*)(*) up again. That's either a lack of intelligence or dishonesty. Unfortunately for you, we do have dictionaries and words have specific meanings. You are entitled to use the language. But you are not entitled to rewrite the dictionary in an attempt to make sense of your ideology. Unfortunately for you, there is nothing dishonest about the truth.

The unfortunate fact for you is the Republican Party is in a state of disunity. Republicans are jumping ship. The unfortunate fact is senior Republican leaders are are jumping ship and issuing warnings about The Donald. Some are joining Democrats, some are not. Whither you want to admit it or not, that's a problem for Republicans and dittoheads everywhere.

Just where is it you think I'm struggling? Please do be specific. But you aren't the detail and specific kind of person, are you? You are not into facts and all that thinking that goes with them, are you? It's just much easier for you to mindlessly repeat what Republican entertainers have told you.

 

This is the cool thing about Trump....


Day One- 50 Republican national security/terrorism experts say he's too dangerous to be President.

Day Two- Trump goes before a crowd and proves they're right.

I don't think even 24 hours passed, did it?

 

And so the character assassination of Trump continues.

 

What "character"?

 

Government spooks meddling in domestic elections are a national security risk.

 

You don't know because you pay no attention to him, relying instead on caricatures that his opponents make up about him.

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Erm, sure.

Actually, media and bi-partisan meddling in our elections is a security risk. We can't elect good candidates because of the system we have. We are forced to elect dangerous persons.

 

They do not "meddle" in the system. The RP/DP/MSM are part of a united corrupt political class - they are the system.

 

Trump is doing a great job of that all on his own. He doesn't need any help in that regard. Every week if not every day, he says something which diminishes his character. There is no need to lie about or misrepresent Trump's character. I find it telling you don't seem to have any problems with the Trump attacking Hillary's character in every speech and interview he gives or the nearly 3 decades old effort by Republicans to assassinate the character of both her and her husband.

 

These are US citizens, Republicans and conservatives, who are experts in national security. They say Trump would be dangerous for the US if elected President.

If you were concerned about national security like the rest of your nut ball right wing clan, you'd dump Trump right now.

 

This doesn't include people such as Brent Scowcroft & Rich Armitage, among others, who have already said they won't support Trump.

Donald B. Ayer
Former Deputy Attorney General

John B. Bellinger III
Former Legal Adviser to the Department of State; former Legal Adviser
to the National Security Council, The White House

Robert Blackwill
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Planning, The
White House

Michael Chertoff
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant Attorney
General for the Criminal Division, Department of Justice

Eliot A. Cohen
Former Counselor of the Department of State

Eric Edelman
Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy; former National Security
Advisor to the Vice President, The White House

Gary Edson
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House

Richard Falkenrath
Former Deputy Homeland Security Advisor, The White House

Peter Feaver
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House

Richard Fontaine
Former Associate Director for Near East Affairs, National Security
Council, The White House

Jendayi Frazer
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
African Affairs; former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs

Aaron Friedberg
Former Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President, The
White House

David Gordon
Former Director of Policy Planning, Department of State

Michael Green
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Asia,
National Security Council, The White House

Brian Gunderson
Former Chief of Staff, Department of State

Paul Haenle
Former Director for China and Taiwan, National Security Council, The
White House

Michael Hayden
Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency; former Director, National
Security Agency

Carla A. Hills
Former U.S. Trade Representative

John Hillen
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs

William Inboden
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House

Reuben Jeffery III
Former Under Secretary of State for Economic Energy and Agricultural
Affairs; former Special Assistant to the President for International
Economic Affairs, National Security Council, The White House

James Jeffrey
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House

Ted Kassinger
Former Deputy Secretary of Commerce

David Kramer
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and
Labor

James Langdon
Former Chairman, President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, The
White House

Peter Lichtenbaum
Former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Export Administration

Mary Beth Long
Former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs

Clay Lowery
Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs;
former Director for International Finance, National Security Council,
The White House

Robert McCallum
Former Associate Attorney General; former Ambassador to Australia

Richard Miles
Former Director for North America, National Security Council, The
White House

Andrew Natsios
Former Administrator, U.S. Agency for International Development

John Negroponte
Former Director of National Intelligence; former Deputy Secretary of
State; former Deputy National Security Advisor

Meghan O’Sullivan
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan

Dan Price
Former Deputy National Security Advisor

Tom Ridge
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant to the
President for Homeland Security, The White House; former Governor of
Pennsylvania

Nicholas Rostow
Former Legal Adviser to the National Security Council, The White
House

Kori Schake
Former Director for Defense Strategy, National Security Council, The
White House

Kristen Silverberg
Former Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations

Stephen Slick
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Intelligence Programs, National Security Council, The White House

Shirin R. Tahir-Kheli
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations, National
Security Council, The White House; former Ambassador and Senior
Advisor for Women’s Empowerment, Department of State

William H. Taft IV
Former Deputy Secretary of Defense; former Ambassador to NATO

Larry D. Thompson
Former Deputy Attorney General

William Tobey
Former Deputy Administrator, National Nuclear Security
Administration, Department of Energy; former Director for CounterProliferation
Strategy, National Security Council, The White House

John Veroneau
Former Deputy U.S. Trade Representative

Kenneth Wainstein
Former Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and
Counterterrorism, The White House; former Assistant Attorney General
for National Security, Department of Justice

Matthew Waxman
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense; former Director for
Contingency Planning and International Justice, National Security
Council, The White House

Dov Zakheim
Former Under Secretary of Defense

Roger Zakheim
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense

Philip Zelikow
Former Counselor of the Department of State

Robert Zoellick
Former U.S. Trade Representative; former Deputy Secretary of State

 

LOL! You think I am "right wing" because I undermine frivolous attacks on a progressive candidate like Trump?

 

LOL, now Bush appointees are the word of God. Whodathunk!