If the government really wanted to identify all gun owners and confiscate their firearms, why wouldn't they just take the national database that the NRA has of all lawful owners? http://www.buzzfeed.com/stevefriess/how-the-nra-built-a-massive-secret-database-of-gun-owners The obvious answer is "because no warrant would be issued by the courts for an unconstitutional seizure." Of course, this same answer would apply to any seizure using a federal database if one existed... So what's the difference?
Wow where to start with such nonsense, The NRA has a membership database not a gun owner database DUH! I have never been asked once by or through my application to the NRA for information regarding gun ownership so just where would this gun owner database come from? That's the first epic fail of your article. Second epic fail, your article states Gun permit registrations are not subject to public disclosure in most states, gun safety classes don't equate to gun ownership and lists of gun show attendees....WOW just WOW. I think maybe I see a marketing campaign build on information gathered through channels used by most organizations selling something but a database of gun owners...I think not. As to your last statement.... Yes it would be unconstitutional to seize data collected for marketing data and a federal database of firearms owners is illegal and I might add subject to those pesky abuses of power the Obama administrations seems to be popular for, that's the big difference. "YAWN" this was a non-starter eh?
Wow. Whether specific firearms are registered by the NRA is irrelevent to the fact that a registry of owners is, given that the primary concern in relation to a federal registry seems to be the widespread seizure of firearms.
WOW like I said a non-starter, The NRA doesn't register firearms, they don't ask their members if they even own guns and don't have a database as such, just because someone joins NRA, takes a safety course, or attends a gun show has nothing to do with gun ownership......unlike what the big O administration and gun control advocates everywhere wants with expanded background checks. BTW why would lawful gun owners need to be in a federal registry? Lawful citizens fingerprints and DNA aren't kept in a federal registry..see the comparison?
Right, because the vast majority of people paying for safety courses are doing so for the sheer joy of it - totally unrelated to firearm ownership And lots of people who aren't interested in gun ownership attend gun shows. Seems reasonably intuitive that this information could be used to identify gun owners if that was the goal. As for biometric data being stored, that's a poor excuse for a strawman... I could just as easily point out that most explosive sales require licenses for both the vendor and the purchaser (except for those blocked by NRA influence).
you remind me of the 1 in 4 discussion you just had Yes taking course in firearms safety does not equate to fire arms ownership...just you trying to make a false implication. Yes attending a gun show does nothing to imply gun ownership sheesh non-starter Not to me..got any proof otherwise? That's all you got??? Strawman Like I said...Non-starter. Why are you bringing up licensing of explosive Strawman? Just what does that have to do with your OP?
Ok, so - since these activities cannot be used to facilitate the identification of gun owners, you'd have no issues with the government establishing a database identical to that of the NRA...? About as much as biometric data, which was the point you obviously missed. Sorry, I'll try to keep it simpler for you.
does the government have anything they are trying to sell That was a silly question! You don't need simpler, you need clarity..your conversation is straying due to lack of any proof. Sorry but I'm done mostly because I know how much it entertains you to drive points into the ground.
I see, you believe the only time the government maintains records is for the purposes of selling something? One you're sidestepping for a reason? It is a sad reality that it is often necessary to repeat oneself in order to break through the barrier put up by those who are programmed to instantly dismiss any notion that seems to challenge their preconceptions. After all, I'm not the one who strayed from the point by raising biometric data...
it is illegal for the federal government to keep and maintain a registry on gun owners. I fail to see the correlation between a private business and the alleged rights of government. Just because I sell paint, for example, doesn't mean I have to supply the government with a list of paint buyers. It might be different if I had purchased a firearm through some government entity. They like records and hire thousand of people to keep records.
1. Not all NRA members are gun owners. 2. Not all gun owners are NRA members. 3. The NRA doesn't have a list of what guns their members own. 4. The NRA doesn't keep track of private transfers or 4473s for FFL transfers. 5. If the police raid your house with a warrant and find some guns that doesn't mean they found all of your guns. Some might be hidden.
The nail gun in your garage, the calk gun in your toolbox, and the nerf gun your kid left out on the floor.
You want a registry? Walk the inner cities and ask the gang bangers to identify their guns to you, and write it down.
Believe it or not the government knows for the most part on who owns a firearm and who doesn't. Like other have said some of the gun owners are not members of the NRA. The wild card comes in on private sales of Firearms. In the state of Florida one can buy privately owned firearms without having a background check. Although if a person buys from the gun show or dealer the buyer will have to do a background check. Even though there's no registry the government knows exactly what you purchased, also when you purchased the firearms. This does not include purchases you make online with credit card purchases.
Wait does Florida require a background check for all gun show purchases? If an FFL sells their wares at a gun show they're still an FFL so I see the need for the background check there, but between two average citizens that's still just a private transaction.
private sales cannot be checked. There is a lot of that going on. That is what the Obama-ites are whipping right along. The government is prohibited from accruing gun information about this countries citizenry. It is tantamount to keep such prohibitions in place due to the fact that all registries have led to confiscation. We are the only country on this marbleized planet that has the Right to private ownership of firearms.
That is correct... Private sales require no background check. Gunshows do require a background check in the state of Florida. There are some counties in Florida that will allow a person to buy an AK or an AR 15 and walk out with that firearm the same day without having a concealed carry permit, while other counties require a 3 day wait. In The State of Florida all handguns are required to have a three day wait in all of their counties, unless a person has their concealed carry permit. My whole point is if a person purchases their firearms through a dealer or a gun show they will have to fill out a background check what you then technically have registered your firearm. One can say they don't know what type of firearm I have but they know you have a firearm.
they can automatically assume that 1/3 of all homes have guns or treat the citizens like they all own. That's what happens in martial law. Everyone is a criminal except for the elected, judges and cops......somehow that just doesn't seem righteous
A law can change that in an instant for the fed database. Also, we already know that the federal government is not a safe place for databases. NSA workers admitted to using their database to spy on potential or current lovers.
I guess I can see how it's easier to keep track of private sales at a gun show. Elsewhere on the streets it's too hard to enforce. Just look at all the drug dealers out there. The all seeing eye of big brother can't be everywhere to observe all those private transactions so there's no way they can track all private transfers of firearms either.
You really believe people working for phone companies, or google, or facebook, or any other privately company with a database don't do the same thing? People are people, no matter where they get a paycheck.
