Fiscal conservative...social liberal!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Frank, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. MississippiMud

    MississippiMud Well-Known Member

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    Try this. It works for me.
    1. Let yourself out of your self defined prison
    2. Stop putting others in a prison defined by yourself or others
     
  2. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not put myself in a "self defined" prison.

    I do not put others into such a prison.

    Do you have anything worthwhile to say...or are you just commenting because you have access to a computer?
     
  3. MississippiMud

    MississippiMud Well-Known Member

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    Interesting response from one who claimed a desire to be less judgmental. Take from what i say what you will or not. Perhaps give it more thought when you are in a less contentious state.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When you feel less like lecturing others about what they should or should not do...

    ...perhaps we could have a conversation that suits your mindset to a better degree.
     
  5. MississippiMud

    MississippiMud Well-Known Member

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    You asked for help, i gave you an answer that was helpful to me in dealing with judgment issues. If you feel lectured ... ok. That does not change the content. I am not telling you what to do, only what worked for me. You can do with it what you will.

    You want a conversation about my answer? Go for it. Do you have questions or ... wish to debate the validity?
     
  6. Lucifer

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    I'm sorry, but that is complete and utter rubbish!

    What you are completely trying to do is "white wash" the racial component of US enforcement and justice. We do not "solve more black and Hispanic crimes"....that notion is so ridiculous on its face that it's an insult. Well over 90% of criminal cases never even go to trial!!! They are plea bargained.

    That is the definition of systemic racism.
     
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  7. xwsmithx

    xwsmithx Well-Known Member

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    Oh, my god, the irony, the IRONY! Someone who wants to take other people's money talking about integrity. Someone with a childish "share and share alike" mentality talking about growing up. Someone with 5,381 posts just since last August asking someone with 750 posts in a year and a half about commenting just because he has a computer. Someone lecturing others about lecturing others. Do you even read your own posts???
     
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    Plea bargaining isn't proof that the case wasn't solved. Plea bargaining is getting a criminal into jail on a lesser charge so that the state doesn't have to spend the money on a trial. It saves money, time, and effort. 95% of criminal cases brought to trial result in conviction. How many of those plea bargained cases do you think wouldn't have resulted in conviction?
    I'll have to get an almanac to post the relative crime rates of populations/countries. I can't find an exhaustive source on-line.
     
  9. garyd

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    I don't know of a single poor person that was ever truly helped by a government program. Maintaining people in a more or less genteel state of poverty for their entire lives is not help it is slavery. And by the way that 85% tax rate was paid by no one since it only effected one person and he left the country. If memory serves scaled to inflation that 85% tax rate would occur somewhere around 5 to 6 billion dollars a year, which currently no one makes.
     
  10. VietVet

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    You don't get out much.
    I was helped by government programs. I used the GI to pay for a bit of college (I understand it pays better now) and I have a VA home loan.
    I wasn't really advocating an 85% bracket, I was just pointing out tax rates are not high.
    Government does suck - when the GOP runs it - because they hate government.
     
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    Been there, done that, and when that 85% was in vogue government spending priorities were 180 degrees from where they are now. By the way those programs are such a small fraction of total government spending that dropping them would scarcely show up in the totals. Corporate tax rates are high in comparison to the rest of the world and it's killing us from a competitive standpoint. Add to that fact that we have the most bifurcated and cumbersome regulatory system in the world, and you wonder why corporations are heading over seas to establish their corporate head shed and do their manufacturing.
     
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    You have an extremely naive viewpoint about the state of affairs in the current judicial system.

    The vast majority of Public Defender Offices are swamped with more cases than they can handle. By some estimates, an attorney can only spend a total of 14 minutes per case.

    Plea Bargaining only benefits the Prosecution and the state at the expense of violating the 6th Amendment.

    You seem to forget that someone is innocent until proven guilty, difficult to do that when someone who is poor and probably less educated about their civil rights is talked into pleading guilty for a lesser crime without ever going to trial.

    Yeah, so think about that as you dig up your outdated "almanac".
     
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    I have always said that I would rather have a special loan prigram to pay 0% interest loans to people in need rather than direct welfare payments. We could have direct payments for the elderly, and the disabled, and programs like WIC which are meant for children. People who cant work, and are forced to live on government aid. But, people who can work shouldn't simply get free money. They should be allowed to sign up for special loans to help them get back on their feet, but would have to pay the loans back
     
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    the big thing about public defenders is that in a lot of states the attorneys also run private cases. In Indiana, there aren't full time PD's. Lawyers sign up for it, but also run their own private cases. Indiana PD's are notorious for screwing over their public clients in order to get better deals for their paying ones.

    There is a lot of call among social justice movements to get their practice made illegal, and for full time PD's to be established, but it's not gonna happen. The lawyers have too many friends in the state house
     
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    That the high rates of the past work like today's is a lie they post incessantly despite it being debunked 100s of times on this forum by many posters and 1000s of times elsewhere. That they repeat the lie so frequently despite it being rubbish is one of the main reasons I think they are just posting advertisements while they work on the next volume of the union newsletter and not interested in discussion.
     
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    Apparently so do you. I was an attorney for a brief time, and those poor, uneducated people in jail knew more about criminal law than I did. You forget that 95% of those brought to trial have overwhelming amounts of evidence against them, that prosecuting attorneys who don't have a case don't go to trial.
     
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    You are confusing the difference between fiscal and social policy. Fiscal is referring to government spending, tax rates etc. In the left right differentiation, Social Policy is referring to social issues like abortion, capital punishment, gay rights etc.

    A fiscal conservative, socially liberal person would tend to advocate a smaller government while being pro choice, pro gay rights etc.
     

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