Florida Approves Bill Allowing Classroom Teachers To Be Armed

If educators simply cannot be trusted to look after their students while they are the figures of authority over them, then they are individuals who cannot be trusted at all.

The example would be one does not have to simply stand by and wait in a helpless manner to either be saved from harm, or killed while waiting for help to arrive.

 

The higher the body count the easier it becomes for the GCA's to execute their goals.

 

Not at all TOG 6, I offer a proposal for the solution, I guess some prefer an even more dangerous and volatile situation.

 

You 'solution' is completely ineffective once the shooting starts.

 

Of course.
Dead, bloody school kids are the anti-gun left's best friends.

 

You proposal is useless in the real world, in order to stop an active shooter from completing his crime armed and properly trained personal must already be in the school ready to intervene.

Furthermore they must not appear to be armed or in a uniform, otherwise they will become a first shot target, by being undercover they have a much greater chance of getting a clean and clear kill of the shooter.

And we are not talking about a LEO or security shot where an order to drop the gun is issued, they are trained to get a clear shot and shoot with no warning what so ever.

 

Xenamnes, I actually do not have great faith in teachers and other school administrators, so that is that. With THAT being stated, why on Earth would I trust those same people with a gun in a classroom filled with little rambunctious boys coupled with knowing how adventurous and aggressive boys can be? Like I said, it is a disaster waiting to happen. Plus there is the reality that too many teachers do not give a darned anyway, which partially accounts for why students often leave school dumber than they initially went in. And please, let us not get into pretending that these same little boys are well-behaved; discipline is a learning and growing mental precept. Heck, remembering how I was when I attended school, many of my behaviors have changed because self-discipline has grown as a result of experience with situations and circumstances.

 

. . . and arming teachers and other school personnel with weapons is useful? As Mr. Elam frequently says, "YCMTSU!"

 

If properly vetted and trained they can be a important security asset, we have just over 20 school personnel in our schools who are armed and while it is not known who they are, it is known they are on campus and armed, which it strong deterrent to anyone considering entering a Hendry County school and begin shooting.

Furthermore the program is being widely accepted by parents who understand waiting for the Calvary to arrive equates to more dead children, maybe one of their own.

 

Do you NOT remember when I stated yesterday, that my goal is to not establish an armed encampment? Do you NOT remember my posting this?

 

The reality is it's either an armed encampment or a prison environment, the school can run somewhat as normal or an institution where access is controlled by uniformed and armed guards.

Parents are not going to go for the latter, they would much rather a light touch when it comes so school security and arming staff in a manner where no one knows about who is armed keeps the school as normal as possible.

 

For the simple reason that in the real world, when a school shooting is unfolding, the educators are the ones who are actually present at the time of the incident, while law enforcement simply is not.

When a crisis is unfolding, the first responders are not law enforcement officers, paramedics, firefighters, or any others who possess professional training and equipment. Rather the true first responders are those who are present, and physically able to render whatever degree of aid and assistance that is possible to those in need.

And such individuals would not be the ones seeking the clearance needed to legally possess a firearm while on school grounds. Therefore they are not actually a part of the discussion, as the discussion pertains only to those who are willing to undergo the qualifications that are outlined in the legislation.

Did you engage in physical assault of educators in your youth, or otherwise attempt to steal from them simply because they were there?

 

What I gather from all of your responses to what I posted is P-A-R-I-N-O-I-A, based on a bunker mentality, which makes you and others that posses such a delusional approach to life; unnerving at best.

 

Supporting giving teachers, et al, the choice to have the capacity to defend themselves and their students during a mass shootings is paranoia?

 

TOG 6, coming from my perspective, arming school teachers has its origin in the paranoid bunker mentality, that is common place through American societies. The local law enforcement agencies exist for the simple fact of serving and protecting the civilian population. If local law enforcement agencies are derelict in their responsibilities, that is an administrative issue that is supposed to be addressed by your local elected officials, who are the direct representatives of the local populace. Yes, this society is based upon active participation, NOT lax and tacit approval, so it is time for people to live up to their responsibilities as active citizens.

 

It is irrational for a teacher/student to fear being shot while in a school?

 

And that is why many school personnel wish to be armed.

 

Problem is they are not derelict in their responsibilities, once a 911 call comes into a PSAP it is toned out and all available units begin responding.



The problem is by the time they arrive and enter the scene the massacre is already over, as I posted before the only solutions are lockdown the schools like are prisons or put more people on campus who are trained, armed and ready to intervene.

Do you have a better idea?

 

So why arm teachers? If the fear is children being shot, what is wrong with increasing local PD patrols of schools as a safeguard against violence in those schools? All of this "Bunker Mentality" and fear of having guns confiscated by government agencies is DEFINITELY paranoia. This entire OP demonstrates a severe streak of paranoia among the populace, and by fanning the flames, so to speak, of said paranoia is counter-productive to any viable solution. I am truly amazed that the United States of [North] America has lasted this long, due to the paranoia factor that permeates MOST vestiges of the society. An example of model of part of my mentality about the issue of arming teachers is the example of the Amish/Mennonite community in Pennsylvania that did suffer one of the most egregious school shootings. Did they arm school teachers? NO they did NOT. Are the schools armed camps because of the shootings? NO THEY ARE NOT. The solution to stop another is having Mennonites with firearms patrol the community, without interfering with the everyday operations of the community. What is the problem with having increased and unscheduled local PD patrols of the schools? Nothing, but the irrational and paranoid want to brandish guns and arm teachers, as though this is The OK Corral.

 

You didn't answer my question.
It is irrational for a teacher/student to fear being shot while in a school?

 

Because patrols do not place armed personnel on campus full time.

First of all it's not a bunker mentality, it's recognizing there is a problem with school security, more so with an open campus which is how they should be, I don't want to have children to try to learn and teachers teach, in locked down buildings, where access it tightly controlled and security is provided by uniformed and armed personnel, that is just not conducive to getting an decent education, and something I would not put any child through.

Then once that security assessment is completed, the possible threats are identified, solutions can be worked out and one of the most common solution is no uniforms and no visible guns.

Children do not need to be exposed to that while going to school.

You could not be more incorrect if you tried, paranoia is the fear of the unknown, what is happening with gun free zones and school security is a recognition of a problem and in turn coming up with workable solutions to solve the problem, within the budgetary constraints of the various school systems.

The problem with such is it costs money, while not solving the actual problem, having random patrols of schools is playing the Lottery with children's lives, the chances of a random patrol entering a school at the very same time an active shooter event unfolds is slimmer than hitting six numbers and winning.

Such is simply a waste of precious law enforcement funding, while providing little if any school security.

 

It IS a Bunker Mentality and this same mentality has caused alienation on a mass scale, unless one who possesses said mentality engages with those of like mind in an echo chamber which normalizes the thinking. .

 

Per you and you only and it has not caused alienation, but has actually resulted in a coming together of all shareholders seeking a solution.

And that solution will never be achieved, unless we can get those with shouting a anti-gun bunker mentality, to understand the actual problem and accept reality based solutions versus emotional based non-solutions.

 

Except for the simple fact that such is not actually the case. Law enforcement agencies exist for the sole purpose of carrying out the enforcement of the laws of the land, not for the purpose of preventing murders from occurring. It is right in the name. Law enforcement officers may render aid when it is possible, but such is not a primary role. It has long been held by the courts of the united states, that law enforcement officers are not required to protect anyone in anything other than a general sense of the word, meaning they cannot be held legally responsible if they fail to prevent a murder or some other form of violent crime from occurring.

 

Believe your own tales if you like, reality speaks for itself.