Florida could shield whites from ‘discomfort’ of racist past

Are you suggesting that it would not also apply to a teacher who happened to be racist towards blacks who suggests (behind closed doors, of course) to his/her students that "blacks are nothing but jigaboo monkeys who should all be rounded up and sent back to Africa"?

 

Are you suggesting that some additional law or regulation was necessary, to apply to the case, you lay out?



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Are you suggesting that it would not also apply to a teacher who happened to be racist towards blacks who suggests (behind closed doors, of course) to his/her students that "blacks are nothing but jigaboo monkeys who should all be rounded up and sent back to Africa"?

 

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This proposed law is aimed not at individual, rogue teachers, but at teaching curriculums, as for any of the State's school districts. I'm pretty confident that what you suggest, above, would not be in accordance with any district's proposed curriculum, on racism or prejudice, even without the law-- how about you?

Your seeming concern for black children, however, is laudable. Since I also notice that your avatar is a black man, may I ask if you, as well, are black?

 

Yes, but those words have nothing to do with prohibiting making people feel uncomfortable or blaming them for slavery!

 

You'll have to read the posts again, because I am not going to repeat everything back to you.

 

That's not how I read it, but nonetheless should I be wrong perhaps it should be. I would love to see a law that enables crinimal punishment to rogue teachers who go "off book" from approved curriculums and teach such things as "White kids need to apologize for being white", or "black people should be rounded up and sent back to Africa", as those are both hideous messages that have the potential of messing youngsters up literally for life. As it stands now, without a law in place or at least some sort of written school board policy (which I seriously doubt), I'm not sure if you could even fire them, much less throw their asses in the slammer to teach them a lesson.

Though I find it an order of magnitude more likely that the teacher's union would come to the aid of the former teacher than the latter.

And then, of course, there's the question of how long that particular teacher has been teaching those lessons without a child ratting them out and actually being believed. Since I've been called "Orwellian" and "Marxist" for suggesting having cameras in a place where teachers (who are paid employees at work) have no reasonable expectation of privacy while instructing a room full of other people's kids, it could be years and thousands of kids damaged before such things actually come to light.

I'm not sure what difference it might make (none), but I'm as white as the driven snow, even though we don't get that stuff here in FL. My avatar is Morgan Freeman, who played the role of god in the hilarious movie "Bruce Almighty", and the quote is from the very popular TV show "Game Of Thrones". You needn't try to read anything into it, it merely amused me (though I was a fan of him in that role, the movie itself, and the show) so I decided to use it.

 

Personally, I don't think even the teacher's union would defend the teachers, in your fictional scenarios-- definitely not the one talking about deporting blacks (unless he was just lecturing about Lincoln's original opinions about the slaves).

With the adequate safeguards-- which might be hard to guarantee, due to the potentially-tumultuous changes, that can occur with transfers of power between Parties, in new administrations (or shifts in the Legislature's Majority-- though I'm guessing that Florida's remains, consistently, Republican)-- I would not see cameras as a non-starter.

 

Which proposed law?

 

Please tell me that you know that he is not just any old black man!

 

As it stands in Florida?

 

I use my phone, here, and hold it vertically, so the avatar pics are rather small; when one requires me to apprehend small details, like facial features, unless I enlarge it, & look closely, which I did not do, it is hard to recognize someone (I do know who Morgan Freeman is, though).

 

In the mind's of the other posters, we are talking about a proposed law. If, in fact, it will be a law from last year (which may only recently have gone into effect), plus some additional measures, as DeSantis sees for, I see no reason to make a federal case about that, do you?

If, every time you have a typo or misspelling, I pretend that I don't know what you mean, until you have corrected it, how much fun will it be, talking to me? Don't let "the perfect," be the enemy of "the good." When in Rome... and so forth..."Don't be a drag."

 

I have no idea what you mean!

How do you know?

 

Your post is right here:

They are the words from the bill, but the bill does not prohibit making people feel "discomfort, guilt, anguish" or blaming them for slavery! The point is that an individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex. An individual should not be made to feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race! Unless you are a radical leftist - which I don't think you are - then you will agree with that!

 

Right, because you have been misled by the thread and the AP article which it is based on! Did you even go one step further and read the AP article? Or are you literally only going by the thread title which mentions "discomfort?"

Well that was the CRT ban from last year. I don't really know why the DeSantis government didn't think that was sufficient, but they seem to think that it is given that they are now trying to expand on it with this new bill. If I had to guess, I would say that - as you say - "CRT" is difficult to pin down. I suppose that, piece of crap, radical, leftist, activist, possibly even outright racist teachers could - in theory - teach white kids that they bear responsibility for actions committed in the past by other white people, and teach them that they should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of their race. And this law - if passed - would certainly put a stop to that outrageous nonsense.

 

Here is the difference between us: I agree with you, about not teaching that stuff that I bolded; but any law, has some potential for being used in ways, other than the way most might expect. In this case, especially with the very wide tolerances for variation, built into it, because of it defining of what it is trying to prevent, so loosely, as "feeling discomfort," it could easily be exploited, and I'd say this use of the law-- to also stop (what, I hope, is currently also part of anti-discrimination education): the teaching of the actual history of things like race riots (primarily white), lynchings, Jim Crow laws, & such-- is even part of it's intended purpose, but one which I, of course, would be against (and would hope that you could agree with me, on that).

 

No, actual lessons from ANY level. My point is, that an explicit mention of "CRT" is likely nowhere to be found in any curriculum in the country. However, the principles of CRT are used in teaching. Therefore, it is totally irrelevant if it is, as you say, "not taught in primary level education." Watch this from a former administrator who was subsequently fired the inconvenient truth which he revealed: https://twitter.com/TheTonus/status/1456229919986528258

From some radical leftist teacher who is proud to use CRT in her teaching:

"Critical Race Theory is not being taught in schools. It is a theory. It is a lens by which to view history and the way that law and race kind of overlaps [sic] and connects in society.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/06/us/critical-race-theory-philadelphia/index.html

The funny thing is that this idiot talks about it as "teaching the TRUTH" when CRT is a THEORY!

And the CNN article says: "Keziah Ridgeway says she's the only teacher she knows in Philadelphia who teaches critical race theory in public high school" but also quotes her saying "critical Race Theory is not being taught in schools."

And here is the American Federation of Teachers:

"Critical race theory isn’t “divisive.” It’s an irreplaceable lens with which we can view our difficult history." https://twitter.com/AFTunion/status/1392087091618648066

Sure, just like white supremacist-inspired material is not the same thing as white supremacism, but I assume that you would be utterly against white supremacist-inspired school lessons. I know that I would.

Given that DeSantis is not a complete IDIOT, he would not have said that he wants to ban making certain people feel discomfort. It's obviously totally unenforceable.

 

And the rest of my words are in other posts. Read them if you wonder what I have said about this matter.

I am strictly against this kind of government overreach and censorship, but I am not surprised you support it. Do you have government censorship in your country?

 

Government censorship of bad ideas in the classroom? Would you also be against the government prohibiting teaching that black people are inferior to white people?

 

Why the hell do you continue to cite "feeling discomfort?" Do you seriously still not know that the mention of "feeling discomfort" is in relation to the below extract from the bill which I have quoted in multiple replies to you?

"An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex. An individual should not be made to feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race." https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/148/BillText/Filed/PDF

Yes, all of this should be taught, and I'm not aware of anywhere that it's NOT taught.

 

Who is making a "federal case" about it?

 

@DEFinning, it looks like you FINALLY understand the lie that this thread is based on! Great!

 

No, all that stuff is not taught. How would you know what is taught in American schools? And you're not saying that you learned all about these things in English schools, are you?

Here is an interesting, but short, discussion of the topic. Though I don't consider myself a fan, in this case I see my own opinion to be very close to Bill Maher's.