The kids are taught from pee wee football to finish plays and be aggressive. They are taught to play to the whistle. Should refs be quicker with the whistle or will gamblers and beer swillers get outraged? It will be interesting to see how Saban handles this, if at all. let the video roll because the mizzou offensive linemen dish out a beating in the next 2 plays. http://1045theteam.com/alabamas-lamichael-fanning-body-slams-missouri-running-back-video/ [video=youtube;GhRQ-Yh1Svg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GhRQ-Yh1Svg[/video]
Yes, definitely over the top and way uncalled for. That is a dangerous thing to do even in a professional wrestling ring. I'm glad the O linemen got some revenge.
HA!!!! I knew this was going to the game and play in question just reading the thread title. Welcome Mizzou to the SEC!!! I bet they wish they could get back into the big 12 -1 +2 -1 + 2 or whatever they are called now.
I don't know all of the rules regarding such foul play in Am Football, but that's quite obviously a dangerous tackle (the kind of thing that can break a neck), and certainly wouldn't be allowed in rugby. Are there no rules that a players is sent off or 'sin binned' after being caught by the ref doing that, though? In rugby, a dangerous tackle would result in the player being sent from the field either for 10 minutes or for the rest of the game, leaving his team a player short for the duration (obviously they aren't allowed to bring a replacement on), so its a real incentive in the game to not do it (you'd be letting your team down). Is there nothing like that in American Football?
A body slam is not a tackle. In my brief stint in Pop Warner, form the get go we learned it was shoulder pad into the gut, arms around the back of the knees, and driving back. Clearly this player is body slamming another player. That has nothing to do with tackling and instead seems to be an attempt to either injure him or make the Play of the Day.
There are plenty of rules, but there are also variables. What did the ref see? Was the player defenseless at the time? Did the player commit multiple penalties? Was it simply a hard hit, a personal foul, or so egregious that it warrants ejection? Here is a player who simply laid out a defenseless player, and was ejected. [video=youtube;AoxjYo4qLnE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoxjYo4qLnE[/video] Here is some pure class and high intellect. Stomping another player in the head right in front of the ref. He was ejected. [video=youtube;P4CFSR1kPEA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4CFSR1kPEA&feature=related[/video]
There's always lots of variables. Am I right in thinking that an 'ejected' player is just replaced on the field by someone else?
I don't see what the big deal is. It looks a lot worse than it really is. A German Suplex is legal even in novice levels of greco wrestling (elementary school ages) and of the hundreds of them I've seen through the years I've never seen someone seriously hurt from one.
The problem in some ways is the preparedness of the person being tacked in that way - in wrestling, they are expecting it, they know how to fall safely, and their opponent knows how to execute such a move without actually causing serious injury, and how to put them down without actually breaking their neck. That isn't the case so much in a ball game (of any sort). This is probably the most notorious illegal rugby tackle incident (the ref missed it, and no action was taken against the players responsible): [video=youtube;OsXJyDHFKn0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsXJyDHFKn0[/video]
Wrestling has weight classes. The player who did the tackling is 6'7" and almost 300 pounds, and it does not look like fat. He is throwing around a guy considerably smaller than him.
I am still confused as to why the All Blacks are allowed to do that stupid war dance prior to the game. Now certainly they are a consistent threat in the rugby world, but man, that behavior seems a bit juvenile.
Please. Nothing illegal, immoral, or fattening about that tackle. He did not: Grab the facemask Horsecollar Late hit or out of bounds Drive the man into the turf Spear Stomp, punch, or kick For those of you who never played and some of you who did, from the snap to the whistle everything that is not specifically illegal is legal. If you don't want to get tackled hard by a 300 pound lineman then take up basketball or tennis. When you get the chance to stick someone legally you do it. It is how you win football games.
Welcome to football, where the playing field is not always level and bad match ups in terms of size and strength are routine. Would it have made a difference to you if he had suplexed a guy his own size?
Please elaborate. It's a moved that's been deemed suitable for children at even novice levels of greco. I would much rather get suplexed than take a shoulder pad or helmet to the knee, a common and legal hit in football.
That is nonsense. A kid who's been wrestling 2 weeks vs. a kid who has been wrestling 10 years, do you think a kid who's wrestling competively for the first time is going to know how to fall correctly? The guy whos throwing the suplex is only concerned with one thing, getting his opponents shoulders and neck to break his fall, and in such picking up the win. This is basic, and this move is completely legal in even childrens greco matches in the US. And look! No helmet or shoulder pads! [video=youtube;Flq6xmzBde4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flq6xmzBde4[/video]
The tackle was unnecessary, he could have just tackled normally, he was trying to send a message and I think personally it was unacceptable. Besides, the coach Nick Saban believed it was so over the top he made the tackler send a letter of apology. When your coach tells you it was over the top, it was over the top.
For some reason, I have to quote the videos to see them... EDIT: WOW. In all my Rugby years I never saw something like that before. Amazing how the ref. missed it.
Football is not wrestling. These guys are not wrestling on a mat. These were not guys who were even in mass.
You're correct, they were on a football field. My point is that if this takedown has been deemed safe enough for children, why is it you think it's dangerous or over the top? This has been done several times in highschool, college, and the NFL before and I've never seen it flagged before. [video=youtube;U8t_CCmASDU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8t_CCmASDU[/video] [video=youtube;M5un07y354A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5un07y354A[/video]
The difference I can see at first glance is that they were turned around and flipped over, rather than just dropped head/shoulder first and upside down towards the ground - that makes a huge difference in terms of the possibility of a serious injury. The original tackle could well have been a poorly executed and clumsy attempt at doing what had been done in these two examples, but the way in which it was so clumsy and poorly executed is what for me makes it dangerous.
