Former CDC director says he believes coronavirus originated in Wuhan lab

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  1. Pollycy

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    Former CDC director says he believes coronavirus originated in Wuhan lab.

    Links:
    https://www.fox23.com/news/trending...ginated-wuhan-lab/RXBVE7KFQJFF7AHMQRFOYS5MCU/
    https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/w...d-thinks-the-coronavirus-came-from-wuhan-lab/

    Interesting that so many of the links connected to this story are so 'politicized', even though Dr. Redfield's credentials as a virologist were certainly good enough for him to become head of the Center for Disease Control in the United States. I had to search several pages of links before I found two that didn't hop on Dr. Redfield's findings as 'unjustified'....

    At this point, it is probably 'water-under-the-bridge' where this damned virus actually came from. Nobody's going to hold the Chinese government responsible for anything anyway... there won't be any 'recompense' for trillions of dollars lost in one way or another due to this pandemic....

    But, honest answers about where the virus actually came from, and how it may have been 'studied' and/or modified in the Wuhan laboratory might provide very valuable insight into how the virus mutates now, and how it may mutate further in the future.

    I'm hoping some of our Forum members, including a dependable and very helpful source of medical knowledge, @CenterField , will render their opinions about what Dr. Redfield has stated.
     
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  2. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seems like you haven't realized that Dr. Redfield is a Trump loyalists, personally nominated by Trump. We are all glad that he is gone and Dr. Rochelle Walensky is not the head of the CDC. One of the multiple advantages of having kicked out that idiot Donald Trump. So, I'm not surprised that Dr. Redfield is pushing the narrative that is preferred by Trump.
     
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    I've never liked Trump and I still think this theory may hold water. Newsweek ran some articles on the possibility that the Wuhan Lab is where the Cov 2 virus originated back at the end of April of last year as well:
    https://www.newsweek.com/controvers...may-have-started-coronavirus-pandemic-1500503

    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-b...us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741
     
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    If Dr. Redfield's opinions disagree with the consensus of scientists then he is herby cancelled for now and forever. See how that works?
     
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    Sad. So far, I gather that Dr. Redfield's accomplishments, reputation, and "Curriculum Vitae" are irremediably stained by the fact that former President Trump appointed him to the position of Director of the Center for Disease Control....

    I almost regret now that I even bothered to bring up the subject. I keep forgetting how partisan 'politics' inevitably dominates EVERY discussion. Thus, I've really learned nothing by starting this thread, and it seems unlikely that I will... so, just forget it.... :roll:

    Now, I'll just continue my thus-far, forlorn search for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, wherever the hell they've hidden it, and forget about where, or under which conditions this virus just popped-out into the world.
     
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    The former CDC director is a trumper. Don't take anything he says/said seriously.
     
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    Don't get ever get discouraged when seeking answers to questions you may have. The journey is part of the learning experience. ;-)
     
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    If he was the only one questioning the official narrative as to the virus' origins, that'd be one thing. He's not though.
     
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    I'm hoping you're joking :p.
     
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    Nope, not kidding. Scientists who don't follow the consensus eco-nuts doctrine get cancelled just like people on any social media.
     
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    Ahhh, I get ya now. Yeah, you're pretty much right on that, but we can still fight it :)
     
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    Oops, typo. I meant that Dr. Rochelle Walensky is NOW the head of the CDC, not that she is NOT the head of the CDC.
     
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    So a Trump loyalist lies about the coronavirus!!! I'm shocked! Shocked! It certainly has never happened before, right? Right?
     
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    Yeah. I get your politically-motivated point, Center, but Dr. Redfield isn't 'just some guy'....

    He was the fricking Director of the Center For Disease Control! He's an imminent virologist in his own right, and I would have hoped that someone like yourself would respect THAT, if nothing else about him.

    "C'mon, man"... do you really think Dr. Redfield is just some 'know-nothing' goofball...? :roll:
     
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    No, he's competent, but that doesn't mean that he won't lie to support his boss. That's what Trump expects from people he nominates... loyalty. Unconditional loyalty. So they spout the party line (The Party of Trump, that is) or else they are kicked out. Haven't you noticed the incredible turnout in Trump's administration? Everybody who spoke up and said something that didn't align with Trump, was booted out.

    Don't you think that Fauci is competent too? He is... but he lied too.
     
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    In former Wuhan lab ... he's a former CDC director ...
    That guy can believe what he wants. He's entitle to express his own persuasions.

    What I can say is that in nature a spillover [a jump of species] is the most simple explanation.
    If we have to reprimand China it's because of its social habits. One daughter of my boss has been in China to study Chinese and she has confirmed to me that their markets are a perfect context for a spillover: not a few animal species concentrated in little room with a lot of persons around them. A virus will jump to our species, be sure!

    In China they have to do something about this, even changing their habits. Otherwise we could consider China anyway responsible ...
    We could ask for a reimbursement of some trillions of US$ ... [or € :)].
     
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    If Dr. Redfield deliberately lied (LIED) for any reason, about something as important as that, wouldn't a medical board yank his license? This is serious stuff! Wars have started over less....
     
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    It all depends on how it's phrased. "I believe that... " is merely an opinion. He never said "I know for a fact that..." And even that, to prove malice you'd have to prove that he knew the information to be false and deliberately presented it as true with the deliberate intent to cause harm. You know, even in Board disciplinary matters, physicians are allowed to present a legal defense and be assisted by counsel, and there is a burden of proof.

    Today's WHO report seems to contradict Dr. Redfield. It will be fully presented to the public tomorrow. I do acknowledge that this being a joint report by the WHO.... AND China, it makes it much less credible.
     
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    I dunno... now we've got CDC Director, Dr. Walenski, calling the current virus situation one of "impending doom".

    I just wish I could find one -- just ONE location in Colorado, where we could get the J&J vaccine!

    Suddenly, 'light-speed' during Trump has turned into 'speed-of-donkey-cart' under Joe... assuming that anyone even knows WHERE the hell the J&J vaccine is being rat-holed right now....
     
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    I don't understand, Pollycy. We got already 143 million doses into peoples arms, in 2 months and 10 days of the Biden Administration... what are you talking about, Trump? He promised 20 million by the end of 2020 and delivered... 3 million. So you haven't noticed how it all accelerated under Joe Biden???

    How in the hell can you call that, donkey cart speed? Let me repeat it: Trump promised 20 million, delivered 3. Biden promised 100 million in 100 days, achieved much more than that in 70 days.

    Johnson and Johnson never promised that they'd deliver a lot, at first. They only delivered 3.9 million doses initially. Now they've promised 11 million doses next week. Their promise is 100 million doses by the end of June. I hope they will meet that goal. They have 3 months to go from 15 million to 100 million, so about 7 million per week until the end of June.

    Now, the impending doom part, is that she gets nightmares about the new variants... and we're seeing an uptick again. I've been talking about it, in my thread "Will the United States Have a Fourth Wave?"

    I think we will not. I think the vaccines will limit it. But yes, there is a risk. So Dr. Walenski is a bit on the pessimistic side. Frankly, while I see problems with this attitude, I do prefer it to Trump's "it will all be over by April 2020... it will magically disappear."
     
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  21. Pollycy

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    My "speed-of-donkey-cart" remark was aimed at the rollout of the J&J vaccine, but I didn't make that clear enough, I guess.

    You're right -- there's been a lot of Pfizer and Moderna jabs available to those who can thread their way through the labyrinthine process(es) of getting signed up in Colorado for even ONE jab... let alone TWO of them.... :juggle:

    Nevertheless, I'm sure that if we're patient, we'll eventually get the J&J vaccine in some quantity out here in 'flyover country' so that there won't be a 4th wave in the Rockies. I know I sound bitter about this, and I am! It is still hard for me to believe that the State of Colorado could ever have staged anything as incredibly fugged-up as that one-and-only attempt at J&J distribution turned out to be. We can only hope that they've got a brighter 'crop' of civil servants planning and executing the efforts in Colorado next time... whenever that actually does occur. :roll:

    As far as Dr. Walenski's surprisingly candid expression of horror about what's next on the 'virus' scene goes ("Impending DOOM"), the 'take-away' that most of us have is probably, right or wrong, something like, "What do they know that they're not telling us...?" :cynic:

    Words are important -- especially when they roll down from 'on high'. Example: On January 26, 2020, when Xi Jinping himself said that this contagion was a "grave threat", I KNEW that 'the sh!t had hit the fan' -- because top-tier personalities in governments (especially totalitarian autocracies) simply do not (NOT) say things like that -- ever -- unless something really horrible has happened. And it had....

    The point is that high-level persons in vitally-important positions (like being Director of the Center For Disease Control during a worldwide pandemic) must be very damned careful about what they say. The resulting dilemma -- should Dr. Walenski be reprimanded and removed as Director of the CDC, or, should she given the Presidential Medal of Freedom for warning America that "the light at the end of the tunnel is an onrushing, runaway train"...? I'd love to be 'a fly on the wall'.... 8)
     
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    The Johnson and Johnson company made it clear that they only had about 4 million doses in stock at the time of approval and would take a while to churn out more, so how would the scarcity of J&J shot be a problem of the Biden Administration, or even, the Colorado officials?

    About Dr. Walensky, she is being candid. Like I said, I do not entirely subscribe to her panicky attitude but I think it is less bad than the attitude of those who kept dismissing and minimizing the threat, in the last administration.

    What they are not telling us? No need for conspiracy theories... they ARE telling us: the new variants that are more contagious and some are more lethal, do represent a threat of a 4th wave, if we don't vaccinate fast enough.
     
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    I suppose you would have had to have been here, trying to get registered for the first-and-only J&J vaccine distribution, to know what a laughably, totally messed-up process that was. The sign-up website had EVERYTHING wrong, and I won't waste your time (or my keystrokes) detailing all of it.

    I don't blame J&J, and I don't blame Biden -- but I do blame the hell out of whoever was responsible for getting this shot scheduled, planned, processed, and carried out in the State of Colorado. Now... we sit here... and wait... with no indication provided about when the J&J jab will be available to us 'prairie dogs' out here in Nowhereville.... They just keep droning on about Pfizer and Moderna, but a number of us don't want either of those vaccines....

    Please don't mistake me about Dr. Walensky -- I LIKE her! Her unvarnished, unscripted, out-front honesty is a very rare phenomenon which we Americans are rapidly becoming unused to. At this point, I probably trust her more than anyone else at the 'stratospheric level' in this virus war.

    And I'll even throw ol' Joe a bouquet, too! Dr. Walensky appears to be at least one (ONE) Biden appointee that is competent, reliable, and truthful!

    [​IMG]. "Hey, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while!" :applause:
     
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    Fair enough, I don't know the conditions in Colorado.

    In my state now we are even offering a choice between Moderna and Pfizer as we have enough of both. We have in my county one site (a local independent pharmacy) offering J&J.

    I don't know why you don't want Pfizer or Moderna. They are excellent vaccines. Because they are mRNA vaccines?
    The J&J is a DNA strand inside an adenovirus. Once delivered to the cell by the adenovirus, that DNA makes mRNA. The difference is small. The end result is that all three vaccines deliver mRNA that makes Spike proteins.

    I'd be confident getting any of the three. I got Pfizer.

    Is this just because the mRNA technology is newer? I'm happy with my newer technology 4K 85 inches flat screen TV. I don't want a black-and-white 10 inches cathode tube TV.

    Newer is often better.

    You're delaying your vaccination waiting for the J&J? The more you wait, the longer you're exposed to the wild virus. In your place, I'd get any of the three, the one available sooner.

    I like Dr. Walensky too.
     
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    It amounts to a baseless argument from authority. I don't care if he is a virologist or became head of the CDC under Donald Trump, who didn't exactly appoint America's best to key positions so much as those he deemed sufficiently loyal to himself. If he can't provide substance to back up what he says and is in disagreement with scientific consensus, then I'm just not impressed.

    The virus has shown no sign of being artificial in any way. It is a naturally occurring virus that happened to make the jump to humans, based on the evidence.
     

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