Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after suspected poisoning

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  1. Striped Horse

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    Was Sergei Skripal a triple agent - working for Russia - then the UK and then Russia again?

    In the below MSN report, Russian exile, Valery Morozov - an expert of Russian organized criminals and whistleblower - reveals that Skripal was visiting Russian military intelligence officials at the Russian Embassy in London monthly.

    Watch video HERE.
     
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    I couldn't believe what I was watching on BBC tv news last night - cars and other vehicles being loaded onto army tank carriers (all being covered over with tarps - **** knows what that was all about), and advice to half of Salisbury to go home and do some washing, and anything they can't wash ensconce in a plastic bag, thence to ensconce that plastic bag into another plastic bag. I mean WTF!!! Reminded me of Fred Karno's Army.
     
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    Ah, memories of being told to hide under the stairs in the event of a nuclear attack. Reassurance tactics par excellence - something we Brits have always been good at. Bend over and think of England...

     
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    Sky News today had a 4-5 minute interview with Foreign Affairs journalist, Mary Dejejevsky on the Skripal affair. I can't post a copy because the interview was live and is not available on their website. But the below sums up her present attitude of questioning cynicism - much the same as my own.

    I note this because Sky News is not known for presenting a balanced view - any more than the BBC do, but both have latterly being doing just that. Curious.

    Mary Dejevsky's Twitter post re the Skripal affair:

    "If #skripal attack so serious, why did it take took 5+ days for UK authorities to start treating Salisbury as a war zone? What changed?"

    https://twitter.com/marydejevsky/status/972622405758791687

    And the recommendations for ordinary folk living in that war zone: wrap any contaminated material in plastic bags. A really high tech solution.

    She noted in her Sky News article that Russia and Russians almost certainly were involved but added that this is not the same as thing as Russian state involvement. Quite right. One doesn't have a news story about an American mafia story and automatically finger Washington or the White House as being responsible - even though various presidents have enjoyed relationships with mafia personalities (including the current incumbent, I believe).
     
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    This is becoming a Brian Rix farce.

    In the below Guardian report, MP Tom Tugendhat, Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, says that Theresa May is going to finger Russia for the Skripal attack and adds that the UK "should draw up new rules to stop Russian oligarchs spending their wealth in London" (as if).

    Actually, I agree with Tugendhat that this would be an excellent idea. After all who wants Russian crooks flaunting their ill-gotten and often mafia linked and laundered money around the UK? You might just as well name London an "open city" and allow any crook ororganized crime family access and a free pass to spend and invest their money in property speculation etc.

    It's plain corruption and the fact that a number of Russian oligarchs have recently "donated" the sum of £800,000 to Theresa May's Conservative Party does nothing to comfort me on this front.

    However, Tugendhat's solution is like saying we should draw up new rules for Premiership Football to apply to International Rugby players. The exiled Russian oligarchs are life-long enemies of Putin and were exiled by him in an informal deal on the condition they could never return to Mother Russia. In exchange they were allowed to keep their billions gained from crooked plunder operations in the Yeltsin era with the proviso that they had to invest a proportion of that wealth back in Russia.

    Note the following:

    "It was about “making sure we make Putin realise what we’re doing, and make people who support him realise that supporting him isn’t a great idea”, Tugendhat said.

    “We need to be very careful that we prevent the oligarchs, effectively those who have got wealthy by exploiting Russia’s wealth, by stealing from the Russian people for the best part of 20 years, realise that they can’t spend their wealth in London, that they can’t enjoy the luxuries of Harrods and whatever else, and that we’re absolutely firm in making sure that they feel the pain of being denied entry into the west,” he said.

    “We’re seeing Russian money corrupting other institutions, too. So we need to be extremely careful that we do not become victims to this. That means not only protecting ourselves by responding to acts of aggression as we’ve just seen, but also controlling the spread of corrupt Russian money.”"

    The question I have is this: How do you punish Putin by punishing his enemies? Or is it rather, that you are actually punishing those who were guilty of this attack, but the British government cannot admit this publicly because to do so would reveal that, in the past, they reached informal agreements with Russian crooks to come and live in the UK because they needed their ample dirty money to spin the British economy?

    It's the ultimate in political hypocrisy. Personally, I don't see it happening. There will be a few banishments and some other limp-wristed responses but otherwise very little. On the diplomatic front few other nations have any sympathy whatsoever with the UK about this whole smelly affair. The attitude seems to be you made your bed now sleep in it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...for-salisbury-nerve-agent-attack-tory-mp-says
     
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    :bored: So much faux skepticism from one of the usual Russia apologists. A Russian assassin (or team of assassins?) carries out a chemical weapons attack in the UK, and this muppet is only concerned about olgarchs running around with allegedly stolen assets. Naturally a Russian troll would seek to deflect and shift the focus away from this obvious major embarrassment and act of war by the Kremlin.
     
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    There was NO official information sent to Russian authorities about the Skripal deal. No. Zero. It means that all this circus is at least used for an anti-Russian propaganda. Skripal had plenty of enemies, because his main job was betrayal. Plenty of agents (who had to become 'former' agents) from different countries could want him dead. I really hope that british government only used someone else's crime for propaganda and didn't naturally kill for the sake of propaganda.

    I really don't know what Skripal was busy with lately. There is some information that he was still betraying people, but possibly british ones and to Russia. In this case it creates a tiny opportunity which makes it sensible to kill him. But a terrorist act of war has one peculiarity it needs a responsible side. When a truck goes into a public there is always a release from one of the groups of terrorists who tells that it is them. If someone is killed abroad by special services there either is a conviction or official press-release or a notice depending on situation. Moreover if there is a person guarded by special services of a host country they won't easily release the info in public. Because the other time when a person will need to trust these services - he won't.

    There is quite a practice of killing people abroad. Israel was killing people for instance. Another recent event was an attack of Russian plane by Turkey. They could have easily said that it wasn't them, but the very genre of example murder demands the side responsible. Otherwise it can be either false flag operation or just an attempt to use the murder for someone's favour.

    I mean, I don't care that much for his life and wouldn't object if a trator is killed. The daughter is another thing. She doesn't seem guilty of anything her father did. But still I wouldn't object that much if GRU came out and said that Skripal was executed because of this or that decision. No problem. Moreover I would have used it as an example in this forum. But the situation is completely different
     
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    Granted, he was in a dangerous position. Espionage is not the safest line of work.
     
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    -UK gives Russia a day to come up with a BS.

    -Ms. May said: "The military-grade" nerve agent is type made by Russia !

    -A house of commons member just proposed officially (yet orally) something like this:

    "The Russian Mafia State should be shown that we will not step back before its terror attack"

    -There are also many other HC members referred the issue as a "TERROR ATTACK FROM RUSSIA"

    -Some members even proposed May to call NATO under Article 5. May responded the proposal that she'd be raising the issue in "many forms" with the allies...

    -May says; "It's the Russian state we are being challenged not the Russian people"
     
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    A lying anti-Russian pig. England hides hundreds of Russian criminals who stole hundreds of billions.
     
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    Can't we now drone american citizens who are radical muslims, enemies of america? If we can, then what is the big deal if russia droned a traitor, with poison? Is it because it is ok for us to kill our citizens with drones if they act out against america and threaten our security, but not for russia? Is that it? If so, then clearly it is hypocrisy, once again, which seems to be the order of the day, everyday, into perpetuity.
     
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    Here's what has actually happened:

    "A state sponsored terror hit the UK."
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    I remember it well - except I was told to get behind the settee rather than under the stairs (we were living in a bungalow at the time! :mrgreen: ) But I guess it's a case of 'If y'gotta go, then provided you're at ground zero and not on the outskirts, it isn't a bad way to go.' - just stop tuning into news progs and not know that it's coming; bit like the poor sods in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

    I watched May's statement in the Commons yesterday in sheer disbelief - I mean 'The fortitude of the people of Salisbury blah, blah effing blah.' Anyone would think Putin** had declared ****ing war on us, and started it with a tactical nuke strike in that fair city. :roll: I see it this way: instead of demonizing Putin** we should be getting him onside against the real enemy of global Islam, not only to have a hemispherical ally, but because he knows how to handle terrorists, and unlike us, he doesn't do it whilst wearing kid gloves. But what is May and her 'sheep' doing? Why, they're antagonizing him! [​IMG] And now the MSM (especially the dysfunctional BBC) are bigging it up as well. I'll bet if Putin** did declare war on us, rather than all this braggadocio and faux outrage, they'd all be running around like headless chickens. This all reminds me of the movie 'The Mouse That Roared'.

    ** Anyone else notice how some of the parliamentary sheep have started calling him Poo'n (glottal stop?) in the American way? :rolleyes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_That_Roared
     
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    Yeah why not gettin him on the side of the west... Who gives a sh.t to the Heartland and who cares about geopolitics right?
     
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    What do you mean by 'the Heartland'?
     
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    Educate yourself
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    I'm entirely with you on this, Cerb. I watched that parrot show live too.
     
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    On the day following the death of Sir Ken Dodd, Theresa May stood at the Despatch Box in Parliament and raised her tickling stick and, with a straight face and a hand up her back opening and closing her mouth in the ancient art of ventriloquism — and lo! the words of John McCain fell out.

    In a classic neocon replay of a Brian Rix farce, There McCain announced that Skripal and his daughter had been attacked with Nocochok, the deadliest nerve agent on the planet which is up to 8 times more powerful than VX, the West’s most potent nerve agent. Not only that, but she announced that it was of “military grade”.

    Which has led to people falling over holding their sides in laughter. Doddy’s last giggling revenge enacted in a Parliamentary setting.

    Philip Giraldi, former CIA Counter-Intelligence expert noted this morning that if the Salisbury attack was “military grade” Novochok - Skripal and his daughter would be dead, and many more people would be too, maybe up to 100.

    Novochok is a binary nerve agent that is 8 times more deadly than the most deadly western nerve agent, VX.

    It’s evident that this whole affair has been carefully stage managed. The UK knew it was Novochok almost a week ago, but kept the steam boiling until yesterday, Monday, when we leaned that it would be later that the evening before she spoke in Parliament. She gave the Russians until Wednesday to respond, therefore delaying the UK reprisals until Thursday - or even possibly Friday.

    And since the political week in the UK ends on Thursday evening when MP’s returns to their Constituencies for Friday morning surgeries and, thereafter for glad-handing at the weekend…. and, importantly, therefore there have been 2 weeks of wall-to-wall of British media and political trolling against Putin in the run-up to the presidential election on Sunday, the 18th March.

    There is only one conclusion that can be sensibly arrived at: the US are interfering in the Russian presidential election indirectly through their lap dog, Theresa McCain.

    Once more into the bleach dear friends. We’ve all been bent over and had again.
     
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    He was visiting the Russian Embassy in London once a month to meet with Russian intelligence officers. This sounds like something a triple agent would do or else he was running messages for SIS, or someone else. We'll never know for sure.
     
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    It could have been easier... But that is just an idea.
    Berezovsky committed a suicide right after he sent a letter to Putin, where he asked for permission to return to Russia... I don't know of Putin's answer, but since he allowed Khodorkovsky to see off his dying mother I suspect that Putin could agree. And Berezovsky could speak up in Russia about the events in Bolotnaya square (failed attempt of color revolution in Moscow). If mr. Scripal wanted to return for any reason even without any activity against GB there is an obvious motivation to stop him on becoming a triple agent...
    This is more logical timewise, it has a logical system and explains why there is zero communication with Russia about the issue and why this crime is covered at such a high level.
    We won't know about it I suppose.
     
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    ".... From Ukraine to Syria -- and now the UK -- Russia continues to be an irresponsible force of instability in the world, acting with open disregard for the sovereignty of other states and the life of their citizens."

    I hope Rex is doing alright...
     
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    I very much doubt that Berezovsky committed suicide to be honest. It's far more likely he was suicided. There have been a lot of very strange deaths in the UK that have connections to Russians. In the case of Berezovsky, the Coroner returned an open verdict, so suicide is not the official reason given. According to Berozovsky's head of security, Sergei Sokolov, the letter his boss wrote to Putin was to warn him - and provide proof - of a plot to overthrow Putin by powerful oligarchs living in the UK. This was his gift in exchange for permission to return to Russia, apparently. Sokolov believes western intelligence murdered Berezovsky in reprisal (HERE).
     
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    If ever there was a statement made as a consequence of a Shadow Projection the above is it.

    Take every word and simply insert the name of the USA in place of Russia and the sentence becomes 100% accurate.
     

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