Fox’s coverage of violent crime dropped after the midterms

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  1. flyboy56

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    Because Trump is your reason why student loans shouldn't have interest applied? I hope you can do better than that, otherwise don't bother replying.
     
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    A higher % of those who have them are democrats...

    Oh wait, you knew that already
     
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    Let me try again:

    Is 'giving money' same as 'not collecting debt'?

    If you owed me $20 and I told you to forget about it, would that mean that I gave you more money?

    Having said that, I do not personally support the loan forgiveness idea, but I don't see a constitutional issue with not collecting debt.

    What did it cost before and what does it cost now? There is a reason why oil companies are making more profits now than then.
     
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    Its not a partisan matter. Most Republicans are with US and our allies on this, while some pseudo-cons and their Russian allies root against the US & Allies.
     
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    What you fail to understand is that there was nothing stopping republicans from working with the constitution to make it happen if they wanted to.
    They didnt want it passed, so they blocked it. Thats the blame they get from those potential voters that may have voted republican. Republicans would rather spend money flying illegals around the country, and forgiving ppp in loans in Flordia then fund student relief programs.
    The republicans seem to now be blaming the constitution, which is low. Such a sad state for that party.
     
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    ? you asked how the loans were different, I gave you an example, seems you were not really looking for an answer...
     
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    LOL

    Why bother replying to me if this is going to be how it culminates each time? It’s boring
     
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    Have you ever thought about considering the way you reply to others around here?
     
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    The PPP loans were designed to be forgiven if they were spent on pandemic related expenses.
    That does not remotely apply here.

    No one is "blaming" the Constitution. I'm simply pointing out that it is unconstitutional for the executive to simply grab money without going through Congress.
     
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    It’s been pushed aside by economic news. Crime is so rampant it’s not news anymore.
    But I get it. The first target in war is the enemies communication.
     
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    As I well know? Really? Using a phrase claiming what another person knows, or the extreme cop-out of "everyone knows," is the way of the right when they know they have no evidence other than the right wing rhetoric being propagated all over the alt-right web sites and social media. No credible news source is spreading this manure because it's a nuthin burger.

    It's horse pucky. I've seen no evidence of any criminal activity on Joe Biden's part. If you can't link to proven evidence, you have zero credibility for that claim.
     
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    Except they were forgiven even though companies laid off their staff, even if applicants had no staff, or when the funds were never used for the intended purpose.
    Why arnt the republicans looking to recuperate that money, instead of blocking congress from pressing forward with student loan forgiveness.

    Republicans lose that moral argument of "dont take out a loan you cant pay for" when they fail to act to recuperate the ppp loans that were never used for payroll.
     
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    I am unaware of the details of that but if that information is accurate I disagree with them doing that as well.
     
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    The money and interest is owed. The government has to pay back with interest the borrowed money it “forgives”. That money needs to be authorized by congress for that purpose or it’s unconstitutional.
     
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    I put a ton of thought into how I respond to each poster and each instance

    Let’s take this thread for example
    I started by commenting on the influence a media organization has had on the nation — and was not discussing it with you

    You interjected by commenting on how many of “us” are willing to vote for the same thing — taking it personal

    I responded with both parties are fairly poor but what Republicans are doing is far more so

    You responded with a direct personal remark

    I explained some global political ideology and followed up with a personal remark (after you made yours)

    You stated my opinion has no value to you

    I stated this is boring

    You responded by complaining about how I talk to people here — So you took the conversation personal and are now upset that it is personal. That’s fascinating.


    As I have stated multiple times, I give what I am given. If you don’t like what you are being given you have three options

    1) Conduct yourself in a manner how you would like to be treated and receive that same level of respect (which going by our prior conversations is zero)

    2) Stop replying to me and I will do the same as it is typically fairly uninformative

    3) Whine about it
     
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    There's no such thing as not collecting debt. All debt must be paid somehow. By 'forgiving' the debt, you have merely transferred the burden of the debt, but you have in no way made that debt go away.

    Also, if you lent me $20 and then decided not to collect the debt, then you paid the debt. It doesn't matter what language you use the outcome is the same....the debt must be paid.
     
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    The strategy failed so it is time to focus on a new boogeyman to get the base all whipped up by. Both sides do this crap.
     
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    First of all thats a load of crap, but to remain consistent the republicans need to go after all recipients of ppp loans. Especially the ones where the stipulations to have the loan forgiven were never met.

    They wont do that, because it hurts their base.
     
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    What i said was 100% true.

    To claim that debt can be forgiven is to say that you made the money disappear (that's a load of crap). Someone paid it, forgiving it is making the entity that loaned the money pay it (which means they take the loss).

    You can't argue otherwise....which is why you didn't even try.

    And ppp loans were different. The gov't forced people to need the loan. Nobody forced people to take out student loans. That's the difference and it's huge.
     
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    Sounds highly subject to manipulation.

    • Media Matters searched our internal database of all original, weekday programming on Fox News Channel (shows airing from 6 a.m. through midnight) for segments that analysts determined to be about violent crime in general or specific violent crimes from September 5, 2022, through November 16, 2022.

      We counted segments, which we defined as instances when violent crime in general or a specific violent crime was the stated topic of discussion or when we found significant discussion of violent crime in general or of a specific violent crime. We defined significant discussion as instances when two or more speakers in a multitopic segment discussed violent crime in general or a specific violent crime with one another.
     
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    Care to shoe me a single post of mine where I stated that Russia elected Trump?

    LOL, good luck trying to find just one post. We all know you will just tuck your tail and run away.
     
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    No, it does not have to be paid. If I don't collect my $20, then I am not paying anything extra. It is lost revenue, so in that sense it still comes with a cost.

    I am not a supporter of the idea of cancelling the loans, just FYI.
     
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    Loaning money is a gamble, the loaning entity is not guaranteed a return. The money could very well disappear, and if you invested in anything you would know this. Literally both parties suffer the loss.
    No one forced anyone to take out a ppp loan, wtf. By that very same logic, being born in this day an age due to lack of abortion services in certain states forces children to take out loans for education in a capitalist system. So forgiving such loans to create high earning tax payers can in fact create a greater return.

    First of all the school should suffer any such loss if their graduate needs a loan forgiven. Creating that incentive would ensure less graduates need loans forgiven in the first place, and would safe guard the tax payer. Biden is on the right track. PPP loans arnt any different, aside from the fact republicans refuse to participate in congress to make school loan forgiveness constitutional. Their refusal, is whats to blame, and their childish attempts to blame the constitution are noted.
     
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    It doesn't matter what language you use. The burden of the debt has to be taken on by someone. That can not go away. It doesn't work that way.

    The burden of the debt doesn't disappear. It must be taken on by someone which you are ADMITTING in this very sentence. So....thanks for agreeing with me.

    They were forced into a situation in which they needed the loan. This is NOT the same as student loans.

    Just stop if you're unable to understand something this basic.

    You can't successfully argue that it's on the school to ensure employment of a student. It's not just a degree that gets you a job.

    This is typical lefty logic where it's always someone else's responsibility. Sorry, not how the real world works.
     
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    Yet I'm all for it.. Most Conservative in the trench are too..
     
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