From the Jordan river to the sea – Palestine must be free!

“From the Jordan river to the sea – Palestine must be free!” – it is IMHO the best propaganda slogan in the XXI century and let me explain why.

Firstly, what is ‘Palestine’? Is it a country? No, there is no occupied country named Palestine in the Middle East. Maybe it's a land? If so, free from what? People? Neither of these interpretations makes sense. Perhaps it means ‘Palestinian people must be free’? Yes, this makes a lot of sense. Freedom is a highly sought-after value in the 21st century. If there are people between the Jordan River and the sea who are not free, it would make sense to give them freedom, such as the freedom to create political parties, the freedom to be gay, the freedom to choose or abandon any religion, the freedom to demonstrate, the freedom of speech, or the freedom to sue their government. The truth is that ‘From the Jordan River to the Sea,’ not all people enjoy these freedoms. Only the citizens of Israel, be they Jews or Arabs, have these freedoms. People living under the Palestinian Authority or in Gaza do not enjoy all these rights. So, why did Palestinian propagandists choose to chant such a pro-Israeli slogan?

I believe that Palestinian propagandists understand the Western society very well. They know that many demonstrators have no idea where the Jordan River is located or whether Palestine is a place, a mountain, or a country. They also don’t know that Hamas, which committed the October 27 massacre, dreams of creating a fundamentalist religious state where homosexuality, apostasy, and atheism would be illegal. Palestinian propagandists understand that the Western world feels guilty about colonialism, racism, and that today, ‘Black Lives Matter.’ But what about Jewish lives? As famous Harvard professor Claudine Gay said, ‘it depends on the context.’

So, kudos to the great Palestinian propagandists for understanding and exploiting the Western psyche so effectively!

 

Translation. Kill all the Jews. Pray on our cultures ignorance and sympathy for the poor plight of the little guy. They’re not stupid. They know a certain portion of US society are weak minded fragile little simpletons who like the “underdog”, the minority, the oppressed, hehe.

Easy marks. Too bad they can’t read a map and understand what that tiny plot of land where so few Jews live is surrounded by masses of Muslims with more lbs than they know what to do with. But the Jews are the problem?

 

What gives you the idea that "Arabs" in Israel are free?

The only "Arabs" in Israel are Palistinians.

They can't vote. They are subject to regular attack and harassment by vigilantes in the West Bank, with little recourse.

Palistine is not an independent nation because Isael has always worked to sabatoge any claim to a two state solution.

Netanyahu had declared the two state solution dead, even though the UN Resolution that recognized Israel as a nation in itself included the two state solution.

Now Netahyahu's "plan" is a military occupation of Gaza, with the Palistinians running local government (but no real authority). Sort of like Vichy France.

And you call that freedom.

 

Wow - Arab/Palestinians citizens in Israel cannot vote? So who elects Arab parties to Knesset? Jews? UFO?
There were Israeli proposals for 2 state solutions by Rabin, Barrack and Olmert, but none were accepted by Arabs/Palestinians.
Western Bank is not Israel, it is area under military occupation and Arabs/Palestinians who live there are under the military rule until the status of the West Bank will change.
In Gaza Hamas was sole ruler - received donations billions of dollars and decided that what people of Gaza want was not education, infrastructure and health services, but they want underground tunnels for Hamas use and missiles. Hamas also declared that it will destroy Israel and on the ashes of Israeli democracy it will build Islam state where human rights will be exactly as describe in the Sharia law - apostacy, homosexuality, atheism will be consider as crime. On the positive side - pedophiles could legally marry very young girls.

 

Maybe because they want to be free like the Israelis are. You are correct in that, to achieve that, they would first have to be a COUNTRY, though. They won't achieve it before that happens.

 

according to their religion they cannot be truly free until ALL INFIDELS DIE! and in that region, they have the EXTREME version of Islam and not this more modernized version of it we have in the USA and other non-Arab majority places.

 

That hasn't worked. So now they just want to be free.

 

so that philosophy of theirs just went POOF? its gone? just like that? Has the text in the Quran been updated to reflect this?

 

Well, in Gaza in 2007 they had democratic elections, Hamas won and it did exactly what people in Gaza wanted: billions of dollars were invested in underground tunnels, missiles and other arms and they provided wet dream of replacing Israel with pure Islamic state with Sharia law - and freedom not to have gays and apostates as their neighbors.

 

I don't know. Right now, they just want to be free. And they DO have a right to have their own country, you know...

 

That was as bad a decision as Israelis electing Netanyahu.... or us electing Trump. ALL countries have made bad decisions in a Democratic process. It doesn't change anything I said, though.

 

Historically it is the area between Jordan river and the sea. It is now known as Israel.

 

Some just lack the understanding of the conflict due to atheism and the push of leftist to basically stop teaching any religion. They think since they dont value religion as a top priority, no one else does either.

 

It is not my highest priority but I still don't assume it isn't for others. Unfortunately the TOLERANT left is really the INTOLERANT left.

 

Yes, electing Hamas, murdering about 1000 civilians, raping women and kidnapping women and children was a bad decision, but it does not change anything I said - Israel citizens, Jews and Arabs, have freedom to criticize government and freedom to pursue any religion and any sexual orientation. Residents of Gaza have freedom too - from gays and apostates.

 

a bad decision for whom?

 

Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.”
― Karl Raimund Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies

 

They have been offered that multiple times and it has been rejected as far as the Hamas and there predecessors and all too many of their apologists are concerned The Palestinian Arabs cannot be free until every last Jew is dead or in chains. So if you want a phrase how about Gaza must be free of Hamas because that is the only way you will ever have peace.

 

For everybody.

 

Have you ever noted how small Israel is compared to its neighbors? Egypt, Iran, Iraq and Syria are far larger. Each of those countries could give up a small area of territory for the creation of a Palestinian state. They won’t do it, and a majority of the Palestinians don’t want. Why? The prime goal of the Palestinians and Iranian backers is the destruction of Israel and in the longer term the Jewish people. So long as that is the Palestinian goal, there can be no peaceful solution.

 

speak for yourself. If the would be wicked witch of the west wing would have stolen the 2016 election we would have had turds like Meritless Garland on the Supreme Court

 

Ok. So there you have it folks. Electing Hamas to govern Palestine has NOT had negative effects for @Turtledude. You'd have to ask him why. I would never enquire as to how another person obtains their profits.

 

Thanks for the propaganda my jewish friend. Are you an indigenous jew or a zionist import? Just curious. Why don't you go into the history of this conflict and tell everyone the state of israel came about because of terrorism committed by the zionists? The Brits, who occupied Palestine since WW1 just got tired of the terrorism/headache caused by the zionists and left.

Do you support israel's plan to further ethnically cleanse the territory of Palestinians via their export to Africa? Let's be honest now, shall we?

 

again you misrepresent what I said-I said electing Trump rather than the howling harridan did not have a negative impact on me

anyone who actually read my post saw that

 

does anyone not understand who I was talking about there