Fukushima continues to leak 300 tons of radioactive waste into the Pacific Ocean every day!

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  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    This particular story does date from last October, but there has been no decrease in the amount of toxic nuclear poison that these broken reactors pour into the Pacific Ocean every day: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-entire-pacific-ocean-and-its-going-get-worse

    This more recent story, from mid-February, indicates nothing positive about this situation which is now regarded as the worst nuclear-caused disaster in history: https://cleantechnica.com/2017/02/1...h-radiation-levels-destroying-cleanup-robots/

    So why post this now?

    I'm amazed at how little coverage this story gets in our "news" media any more! And even more bewildering to me is that anybody would still eat any seafood brought in from the Pacific Ocean anymore -- https://www.davidwolfe.com/fukushima-radiation-tumors-fish-seafood/

    Hint: "... bluefin tuna found near California have also tested positive for nuclear particles"

    I know that almost no one cares about this any more, but I'll ask a question: does anyone know of a store here in the States where you can order tuna that is guaranteed to originate in the Atlantic Ocean, or the Mediterranean Sea?

    I may not ever have been a "Rhodes Scholar", but even I have more sense than to eat anything that comes out of the Pacific Ocean now, and it will surely remain an unsafe source for food for the rest of the lifetimes of everyone reading this....
     
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    Capitalism Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I say we should all keep doing things that cause cancer, eventually we will evolve to overcome it. Like sharks.
     
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    Well it's awful and you're right now one's talking about it never mind doing something. We need fish.... the retina in your eye alone contains 97% DHA omega three fatty acids, not to mention your brain's requirement to function properly. Supplements can not replace it... not yet anyway.

    The oceans deep trenches are also highly polluted

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/...and-kermadec-trenches-highly-polluted/8260168
     
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    No, you are supposed to say nuclear power is the safest form of energy. Repeat that 10,000 times and maybe it might almost start to not seem completely insane.
     
  5. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for the information about DHA fatty acids and the retina... I did not know that, even though I take lots of other vitamins, minerals, and herbal supplements.

    As I see it, until/unless somebody finds a way to stop the flow of highly-contaminated nuclear waste into the Pacific Ocean, the problem will only get worse.

    Years ago I decided that I wouldn't eat any seafood from the Atlantic Ocean or the Gulf of Mexico because of pollution, but now that the Pacific Ocean has become a dumping ground for huge amounts of toxic nuclear waste from Fukushima, what's left? "Fish farms"? I've read plenty about those operations that would make you gag, too.... Only "closed containment systems" seem more like healthy farming operations, but even then many people consider these to be too filthy to produce anything you would want to eat....

    I dearly miss salmon, halibut, and crab from Alaska and the Pacific Northwest now. But on a frequent basis I miss tuna even more. Does anybody know where you can get TUNA from the Atlantic Ocean or the Mediterranean Sea?

    Afterthought: the light-water fission nuclear reactor is very probably the most horrible, destructive thing ever invented. There should be international laws now absolutely forbidding the construction of these monsters as power plants anywhere, and the remaining ones should be decommissioned and gotten rid of as soon as possible. Just my 2-cents (and more surprisingly, I'm a right-wing Conservative! :cynic:).
     
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    And due to cooling demands they are all built at water's edge.

    The nuclear power plant here is closed due to the containment chamber being cracked and it estimated would cost well over a billion to fix. We live close to it.

    Everyone in the community was informed what to do if an accident warning alarm was sounded due to the plant failing. We were to all go into our homes, closing all doors and windows.

    Notably, there was never any explanation of what any "all is clear, you can come out now" broadcast thru the extensive speaker system thru out the area would sound like. There was no all-clear broadcast instructions. This was interpreted by many to mean the only purpose for the notice to go into our homes was so that it would be easier for them to find everyone's body.

    The Gulf water where the huge water pipes that bring in and discharge the cooling water are located is known to be water with all sorts of strange creatures, is water no one goes swimming it, and much of the bottom is black. While no one fishes or swims there, it is prime commercial shrimping grounds. Or you can buy Chinese grown fish who are fed pig feces.
     
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    Pig s**t?! Really? Great! Well, it's starting to look like I'm going to end up as a damned hippie vegetarian after all! If I smoke enough marijuana then maybe being reduced to eating "weeds and seeds" won't be so bad. If you smoked enough mari-hoochie, maybe even pig s**t and nuclear waste wouldn't taste so bad.... On second thought, maybe you could develop a taste for pig s**t -- but never nuclear waste!

    ANYBODY! Where can you get canned tuna guaranteed to come from the Atlantic Ocean or the Mediterranean Sea?! PLEASE! :fishing: .:hungry:
     
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    Listen son, I'm not one to minimize the problem that is Fukushima, but I found this picture in one of your links.
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    What is this?
     
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    A big doom and gloom story. There has been a decrease in the amount of radiation put out by Fukushima....radioactive material decays. The main components of the radiation in the ocean from Fukushima are Iodine 131, Cesium 134, and Cesium 137. Iodine 131 has a half life of 8 days. In other words, by now it's all gone. Cesium 134 has a half life of two years. In other words, only about 10% of it is left. That leaves Cesium 137, which has a half life of 30 years, so most of that is still left.

    The Pacific Ocean already had Cesium 137 in it, most from nuclear testing. When people say "radioactive water", what do they mean? The entire Pacific is radioactive. The level before Fukushima was around 1 to 2 Bq/m^3. It's still in this range, though closer to Japan especially near Fukushima it can be much higher.

    Tuna caught in 2012 after the accident had Cesium 137 concentrations of 2 Bq/kg. The FDA "limit" that causes concern is 1200 Bq/kg (cumulative/year). So, yes tuna has radiation and it's safe. Tuna had radiation before Fukushima. Tuna in the Atlantic has radiation. Also, Cesium 137 is not like some other nasty radioactive elements. Cesium collects in soft tissues (not bones) and is eventually excreted from the body in a few months.
     
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    Nuclear energy can be safe.

    In hindsight, maybe it wasn't the ideal choice in an area prone to both earthquakes and tsunamis.
     
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    Not too sure about stores, but many upscale restaurants/chefs do try to source menu items from the safest suppliers.

    Part of the reason behind the higher food cost @ those places.

    That being said, the lack of follow-up in the media here, (I remember watching the meltdown action as it happened) surely has many more places/chefs sourcing from dangerous, or unsafe areas.
     
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    As a painter of fine finnish's and life time pot smoker I have been saying this for 30 years. I have been exposed to cancer causing chemicals for over thirty years, and I haven't used the proper protection for much of it. And I'm happy to report I'm cancer free....knock wood.....lol
     
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    Doesn't help with your search for non Pacific tuna but has a fair amount of info on sustainable canned tuna/

    https://www.choice.com.au/food-and-drink/meat-fish-and-eggs/fish/articles/sustainable-canned-tuna
    One to avoid http://www.goodfishguide.org/fish/pacific-bluefin-tuna-252
    As for toxicity, radiation appears to be the least of your problems http://www.noble-house.tk/en/save-t...erfished-toxic-and-threatened-with-extinction


    Hope that helps ;-)
     
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    Cesium-134, the nuclear fallout from Fukushima, was recently found in Tillamook Bay and Gold Beach, in the US state of Oregon. Cesium-134 was also detected in 2015 in Canada when a salmon pulled from a river in British Columbia. In both cases, levels are extremely low and don’t pose a danger to humans or the environment. The peak celsium-134 levels in Japan were 10 million times higher than what they are on the West Coast but Japanese consumers are encouraged to buy agricultural products from the Fukushima area to help the local economy which has been struggling since the disaster.
     
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    Pollycy.

    I like your posts, always have, but this one.......

    Dude you must be 70ish, right?

    Rectify that for me. 100 years ago, how old would you be? Dead. DEAD!

    Cheers, dead boy.

    LOL
     
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    Thanks for reminding me to reorder my iodine drops!

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    You and lots of other scientists are certain that there's no danger in eating Pacific Ocean sealife today, just a few years after the worst nuclear disaster in history, and while 300 tons of radioactive crap is still spewing unchecked into it every singly day? Good. You're welcome to it.

    Parenthetically, I don't trust the FDA when it comes to any pronouncement it makes about anything. Why not? I'm very aware of just how heavily influenced it is by lobbyists of every stripe, for every point of view. Ever wonder why Tryptophan was banned for NO real reason at all...?

    BTW, I don't see any of this toxic crap showing up in the Atlantic. I'm sure there's some flow and slop-over effect, but here's a credible map from NOAA, late last year: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-entire-pacific-ocean-and-its-going-get-worse

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    Oh, afterthought,

    Yeah, I have Kelp supplements and iodine drops, too, but those will only help protect you from THYROID CANCER, maybe.... The kind of toxic crap that is gushing out of Fukushima can cause many more kinds of cancer than that....
     
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    Hmmm. By who? By scientists?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_explosion
    Did anybody noticed the change in taste of seafood then?
    Though the mutation is obvious - looking at Hillary supporters, quite new species.
    What do you think?
     
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    I don't know of anybody that calls it the safest, but certainly the most efficient.
     
  20. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    300 tons of nuclear waste from Japan every day?! Why, it's all just hysterical nonsense! :rant:
     
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    Sorry, my friend, pics do not impress me at all, they only show that you are trying to appeal to pity and emotions, and thus have no counterargument.
    Can you put the 300 tons of nuclear waste a day in any perspective using the info I gave to you?
     
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    it is probably dangerous to swim in hawaii or california beaches now due to the nuclear reactor meltdown in japan many years ago, that is probably why the cancer rate is so high now
     
  23. Pollycy

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    No, I can't. How's that for unexpected honesty. I told you, I'm not a scientist. I might feel different if the Japanese could make any significant progress is stopping this horrific outpouring of radioactive poison into the Pacific Ocean. From what we've seen this year already, they can't even get remote controlled robots near the actual rupture sites before the robots fail.

    I can only try to avoid all poisons, nuclear and otherwise. What other people do is entirely up to them. I have, however, found a a source for Atlantic/Mediterranean tuna. It is relatively expensive: https://www.amazon.com/Cuca-Ventres...qid=1491187737&sr=8-10&keywords=atlantic+tuna

    Cheers!
     
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    NOTE!!: The FDA refuses to test west coast fish for radiation.

    The only reason I can think of for this is that they worry that if they did test, the only thing they could do would be to shut down all fishing on the west coast, and that would crash the fishing industry and everything related, and push the economy closer to a full collapse.
     
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    If that is true, it seems the folks that tell us there is no problem, and the levels are the same as before the disaster are getting some bogus figures, perhaps for the same reason?
     

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