Gay community angry after two heterosexual men marry in New Zealand

I was not singling out any person or group in particular. If it seemed that way I apologize.

I'm straight, doesn't bother me either.

I can totally see two guys doing it right here in kansas for superbowl tickets or the like.

 

This has nothing to do with the acknowledgement of the traditional family unit. It has everything to do with discrimination against single people and Gays for that matter.

"Possible new Taxpayers" You have got to be kidding. What a joke of an argument. Benefits should be given on the basis of "actual children" and not Possible children.

 

Well this is a pretty big inference:

Drama aside, what earthly effect does gays marrying have on population growth? Does recognizing the right of those gay couples, who are already living together anyway, to marry change this dynamic in any way, shape or form?

I agree with this statement 100% but not for the reasons you might think I do (so do numerous Federal District and Appeals Courts too).

This exact type of "mockery" is owned by straight people who were drunk-marrying in Vegas and watching who wants to marry a millionaire long, long, before most same-sex couples in the US had access to the marriage contract.

 

IMo, no it would not be fine. it would also be a mockery to the meaning of this institution. It's not just the Gay segment running Marriage into the toilet.

 

Never claimed it was "just" about anything....why do you keep trying that stuff? It's about alot of things, one being the building of the traditional family unit, and the effects that kind of baseline has on a nation.

 

As a straight man, I find this sham marriage to be offensive. In the past, I've chosen to not get married because I think that marriage is important and should involve love and total commitment, and I couldn't commit fully at the time. Just as I find the Britney Spears shotgun weddings offensive by belittling marriage, I find marrying somebody just for a publicity stunt to be horrible (if it actually happened). Maybe I'm just overly-sensitive about this issue.

 

It's a sign of where our country is headed. For example...another segment getting all kinds of support is the "single Mom/Dad" segment. Take a look around and see where kids without 2 parents often end up.

This is just another log on the fire of Moral Decline in America.


Fatherless kids...Motherless kids....kids being raised by daycares...any group coming together for a tax break and we're supposed to pretend it's all the same and all good.

(*)(*)(*)(*) that, it isnt. Right down the toilet is where we're going.

 

And yet....we don't see headline news about it either...go figure.

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Wasn't it Kim Kartrashian who was married and divorced in 72 hours?

 

Yea, this is where we split on definitions because I can see your point that this and straight people drunk-marrying in Vegas and going on who wants to marry a millionaire could be construed as "running marriage into the toilet".

But when a long-standing same-sex couple marry for real love and commitment I can't see how the same standard applies unless you see simply being gay as enough reason to be condemned?

 

Gays complain about everything. I work with some and they are the biggest trouble makers.

 

Not in all states, and instituted against the will of the people in many of the ones you are talking about.

 

At what time in our history was our country in the right place , morally, in your opinion ?

 

Not sure about a date honestly, but I know it isn't today. People with religious beliefs getting trampled, marriage becoming any willing number of bodies and genders, deviant activities being held up as normal standards...


it isn't today is the best answer I can give.

 

Civil rights are not dictated by the will of the people.

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Religious beliefs are not an excuse to break the law. And religion does not make the law in this country. This is not the Middle East or Russia.

 

Well how can something be in decay when you cant identify a starting point ? I agree whole heartily about single parent households and the impact that feminism has had on our country. But I can not agree as far as gay marriage. I think it makes more stable households and its none of our business at the end of the day anyways.

 

I'd marry my best friend if someone offered me NBA Finals tickets.

Why not?

 

No biggie.

Two men marry... and will be laughed at for life.

They aren't alone.

 

Sounds very similar to some heterosexuals getting in a tizzy over ending gender discrimination in marriage - in nations not under sharia law, of course.

I guess that it's just normal for some folks to get upset by somebody else doing something or other.

So it goes.

 

A solid pre-nup would probably cost more than the tickets but Indiana isn't a community property state so you might be able to swing a no-loss divorce if you both sign a self declaration ahead of time.

 

I want to start by saying I have no problem with gay marriage. It's their world and I hope they are happy.

I also don't have a problem with polygamy. It's their world and I hope they are happy.

Now, if a gay, polygamist, etc... tries to force a church that does not approve of their lifestyle to marry them, then I have a problem. The same goes for them going after bakers, tailors, etc.... Stay the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of others' business.

 

You would have to believe that Civil Rights were being infringed. I do not.

Religious rights were written into law far before the laws written to enable things that were never intended.

 

So true...

 

Being only 46 years old, i can only weigh on on the timeline as far as I've been alive. I can still see the decay even if the starting point may have been before I was born.


When I was a kid, single parent households were not as common as today, and 2 guys getting married were unheard of. Did it start when i was born, no...but I can still see the changes.


I dont have to know how to paint, to know when one doesnt look good. You asked opinion, and thats what I offered up as mine. Marriage was never intended for what is has become. The family unit is not what people try and twist it into being today. Both very observable declines, even if you cant pin a dart on the exact day it started sliding.

 

There's two ways of looking at this.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with 2 people of the same sex getting married. Good lord, you're just being silly. BTW, if age matters, I'm 47, and your elder.

The only "decay" might be divorce. But it most certainly is not same sex marriage. Same sex couples have been forming families for a very long time, not just in the last 10-20 years.

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There certainly are.