Gays can become heterosexual?

I think you underestimate how sexual arousal is a Pavlovian response. It is one of the issues that victims of same sex assault/rape deal with, especially teens. That they were sexually aroused during what happened to them causes an added layer of conflict for many of them.

 

Her partner will physically be a man, and will have personality changes - an entity she claims to not be attracted to.

When one person in a heterosexual marriage declares he/she is gay, the marriage usually breaks up despite years of life together (and often even when they have children together). Something as major as a sex change seems to be an insurmountable problem.

 

Love can cross all boundaries.

Perhaps it is, but I admire people willing to try. I'd consider it an act of faith.

 

But for her it isn't that all of a sudden she's attracted to men because she's attracted to her partner that just became one. The gender reassignment process has to happen before this woman is really going to know. Saying what she's going to do right now really doesn't lock in place what will happen after the process is done.

And you're really discounting the prexisting relationship built on both people in it being women. The emotional history and investment doesn't just go away when they roll her partner out of the operating room. They might build a penis for that woman, but they aren't tinkering around in her brain. She doesn't instantly assume all the characteristics of a man when she gets rolled out either.

This is just not a good example to use if you're trying to make the point you're making. There's too many variables not present in most situations. I daresay you might be projecting a little.

That's not the same situation as the one you're using as your example in the OP since there is no sex change involved. In your example here, one person in that relationship has now declared they are attracted to a different gender than their partner. In the example in your OP, nobody has changed their declared orientation. Her partner becoming a man does not mean she would stop being attracted to women.

I would also imagine that the situations like that where the marriage does not break up are because of the emotional bonds and shared history that exists between the two people. Marriages aren't just sexuality.

 

It doesn't matter, in those situations you're still not choosing to be attracted to who you're attracted to. Whether it's innate or as a result of some kind of psychological trauma, it's still not something you're making a decision about in any way that you actually control. You still only have control over your actions.

 

please reference a medical test which supports your claim that people are "born homosexual"

feel free to reference my signature

 

The number of times I have heard reports that things like the abuse of boys by priests and such having introduced questions about the victim's sexuality into the victim's head leads me to a different conclusion than you about whether or not it matters.

 

Why would there be medical tests for something that isn't medical?

Your signature is based on a misinterpretation of data. The twin studies do not arrive at that conclusion.

 

There has been no connection between homosexuality and sexual abuse.

 

How has genetic or other forms of pre-ordination been removed as factors?

 

I did not say there was. I said that victims of same-sex abuse have reportedly questioned their own own sexuality as a result.

 

Many people question their sexuality fire many reasons. Even if they have never been abused.

I would say it's part of the maturing process.

 

POssibly true but it has been reported to be an issue associated with sexual abuse which is also why the sexual abuse often ends up going unreported.

 

It has been reported to be an issue associated with many youth. I wouldn't think abused youth would be any different.

 

Then if you are interested, learn more about the victims of same-sex abuse by the priests and why many of them kept silent for years and how it affected their lives. Right now you seem to be an apologist for the priests by essentially arguing, "Well, it isn't like it really hurt them kids any."

 

That's an odd accusation. I said nothing about that, I said nothing that even hinted at that. Of course victims of abuse suffer.

What I said was that many people question their sexuality.

You seem to be framing it as though victims of sex abuse are the only people that deal with that. I'd say it's more common than most people think.

 

There has been no evidence of transgender or gay genetics beyond statistical indications that I've seen. The 'born that way' movement has been looking for something to back it up to no avail.

Unfortunately the anti-gay types have made homosexuality out as something 'evil' and so the gay community felt they needed to justify it with science - but they haven't found it yet have they? I don't have an opinion either way - just curious.


So at the moment, the likely sexual preference and brain gender issues are the result of belief or long term hormonal imbalances. The brain wires itself the more someone thinks and believes something. In fact the brain can wire itself to fixate on fears as well. It's perfectly normal to be sexually attracted to both sex's, or even non=human or inanimate objects. There is still a very real chance homosexuality and transgender is nothing more then the brain's accumulation of lots of little choices and self belief. Which is basically brainwashing oneself.

People should be able to love and bonk who ever they want so long as its adult age and consensual. But its another thing to invent a scientific hypothesis, believe it, and keep believing it in the absence of proof or presence of contrary proven reasoning. Those communities will want to be careful they don't find themselves clinging to a delusion, as that is never healthy.

 

You believe things in absences of proof, you know things that are proven. I believe that it is something that a person can't help. My reason for believing that is experience. I don't recall making any choices that lead to my sexuality. If you think there are choices I made that I'm somehow not aware of, I'd listen. But as of yet I see no reason to accept that as a viable theory. I honestly have never seen any hormonal studies, or any research that indicates that is a reasonable hypothesis either.

Currently, I don't know, it occurred prior to puberty, regardless of my objection to it so, that colors my belief.

 

Yes. And it is interesting that so people either cannot or do not emphasize the important distinction that you point out above. Bravo!!

 

Oh, okay, then we can all head out to the preserve..... So, when will you become homosexual or bisexual? Have you the "choice" sometime? And how did it make you feel to have gay sex?

 

Science answers more of that today, than many who are anti-gay would like to know/believe.

 

Just because she supports her partner's transition doesn't mean they'll stay together. Maybe they will, and good for them. I would imagine though that the caller can't know what she'll do until they're in the situation. If she remains attracted to the person and stays with her partner, then what an amazing match these two are for one another. If she ends up not being attracted to the anatomically correct male version of her partner, then what an amazing partner she still is for encouraging her partner to be who he is regardless of what happens to their relationship.

Sexuality is far more complex than the labels we gave it. You can't choose who you're attracted to.

On the point of no natural benefit to being gay, I would argue that there is. On a planet already overpopulated with humans, which is expected to surpass 9 billion by 2050, there is an evolutionary benefit to having a segment of the population be gay. It takes a lot more planning and effort for gay people to procreate. I wonder if the percentage of homosexuality will increase as our population takes an even greater toll on natural resources. Nature as a way of balancing things out, maybe homosexuality is part of that? Just a guess o my part, but an interesting hypothesis that can only really begin to be studied now that more people are coming out.