Gaza Militants Renew Rocket Fire Despite Truce

It's not the Palestinians who have been forced (by the Israeli's) to live without a country, in perpetual poverty and misery for decade after decade with no end in sight.

Israel could start to end the Palestinian's misery tomorrow if they chose - the Palestinians have no such choice...just seemingly endless poverty and hopelessness.

Their attitude is totally understandable (not that it excuses terrorism - but only a tiny minority of Palestinians partake in it).

Israel's is not and amounts to little more then the ill treatment of millions of people for year after year - while their people live with a per capita GDP many, many times that of the Palestinians.

It is cruel and pathetic.

And I am not bias against Israel. I have no love for Gazans or west Bankers over Israeli's AT ALL.

But I am biased against one people being cruel to another.

VERY BIASED.

 

Complete and utter paranoid balderdash. I'll return to the rest later.

 

Yes, well I am sorry that you think that way.

Well that's really too bad.

You are familiar with the history of the conflict are you not?

You are familiar with the fact that the occupation was perpetuated by the PLO and the arab league are you not? Or did the khartoum declaration have some other purpose?

You claim that the Israelis could have ended the occupation at anytime. Why would they do so, if the palestinians refused to commit to peace? You think somehow it makes sense for the israelis to withdraw without guarnatees of peace?

The palestinians could have waged peace at any time as well. They or more accurately their leaders chose not to. Some of their leaders even today refuse to do so.

You don't seem to be biased at all against Hamas and the unbelieveable misery they have imposed on the gazan people. Cast Lead NEVER would have happened if not for Hamas' idiotic rocket campaign.

Bias? Everyone is biased to some degree. I accept mine, but I don't think you really realize your own.

 

I don't care who started it.

The vast majority of the Palestinians who are suffering had nothing to do with it and have done nothing to Israel.
I care only about ending it.

And if Israel suddenly told the Gaza and the West Bank that they were free to do with what they wished with their land and ended the blockade to them - I would probably no longer have a problem with the way Israel treats the Palestinians.

And if they did this, Israel would be completely safe. Israel's military is hundreds of times more powerful then anything the Palestinians have or will have in the remotely near future.

But if the Palestinians attacked - then it would be an official act of war and Israel would be free to defend themselves with the full might of their military and most of the world (including me if I thought the Palestinians genuinely instigated the attacks) would probably support them.

And Israel would quickly obliterate them...and the Palestinians know this as well as anyone.
Which is why no countries attack Israel anymore...it's pointless.

 

Interesting. So Israel says okay go do your own thing and hopes that the violent ideological elements of palestinian society simply say - glad that's over let's get on with life.

If let's say the military wing of Hamas (which is not the lap dog of the political wing) decides to lob a few rockets just to make a point or to "avenge" some percieved ill or merely expressing a religious fervour, would that attack constitute an act of war, or would that just be a rogue criminal element being roguishly criminal? Ya think Israel would buy that?

and then its back to square one, with a lot more palestinians and israelis dead and most probably massive ethnic cleansing of judea and sumeria.

 

I do not care at this point what Hamas does once Israel lets them go. That is their problem then.
I only care about the Israeli's letting those millions of innocent Palestinians go now.

Lobbing pathetic rockets at your virtual jailers that are basically within the same border is one thing.

Lobbing rockets from one independent country to another is something altogether different.


Besides, you don't keep millions of innocent people in political limbo, poverty and perpetual misery forever just because some of them MIGHT someday lob some rockets at you IF you give them autonomy.
Especially if your military is gigantically larger then there's is and will be for the foreseeable future.



So what you and Israel seem to be saying is that Israel will never let the Palestinians go so long as there is any chance that they might someday launch a few rockets into Israel.

In other words...never.

 

A few rockets, i liked that,

The meaning of peace is that they wont shot a few rockets at us and we wont shot a few at them, once we withrow to 67 lines (check Moom map somewhere) it leves us with only a few Km of from Pal to the sea, jugding by the street behaviur of our good Egyptian friends, whats to stop an angrey mob to break that fragile border?

Yoiu judge this area like it was on Europe soil, Israel had an existance threat since its 1st day, we had 3 wars with nearly all sorrounding countries before we had the honor of dealing with the Pal, i wont bore with history but Arab leaders boasted all the time they'll throw Israelis into the sea and they all attack together and sending reinforcments from north Afrika all the way to Iraq,
Diplomatic agreements like cease fire, peace, trade rights are all cool but as lomg as there is abyssal hatred fuled from spilled blood and religous belives- can break any moment, if we have a decent security arrengment now how can we dare risk it and trust the good will of those how tried time and time again to destroy us? (again it started b4 the Pal issue), Israel must have decent guarentees, im not waiving the Arab league sugesstion but it will not answer those small cells of terror that belive all the land belongs to them and they will be stronger than ever, and no my friend - accepting casulties each month because we cant blaim them for hating us is not acceptable,

Im the first person here to want peace because me and my family actually live in this mess but it wont be based on Hamas current agenda,

Best way to work for peace between 2 distrusful nations is step by step, what the Pal are entitled is irrelevent to their ability to control it and have a normal country, we withrow from some areas, they build basic democratic infrastructure, stop anti-semite teaching will be cool too, oh and show us you cant refrain from terror attacks will go a long way, there is no "save game" in real life so step by step is the best guarentee we can get.
I'm not suggesting endless peace talks i think we all had enough of those, i think (im not sure) that thats what Israeli Gov is suggesting but its viewed as a way to trick the Pal,

Anyway, none of that is relevant as long as they cant/not intersted to hold back their fire, its a little somthing some of you waive as nonsense that not only make me distrust your intentions but also hints on the promised world gurantee for our safty,

It didnt work before beacuse an ocesional suicide bomber or rocket just had to be launched to Israel

 

There are two sides to borders. Security is not Israel's right alone. The Palestinians must have secure borders too. And the Lebanese. And the Syrians. And the Egyptians.

 

You have kept millions of people in political limbo, poverty and misery for a generation - with no end in sight. And you are whining that some of them are trying to hurt you back?

Well DUH!!!

What they are doing is very wrong - but one would have to be monumentally ignorant to not expect some Palestinians to do what they are doing after the terrible way you have treated their people for SO long and continue to do so.

I do not even begin to care what your history is or your 'excuses'.

You are treating millions of mostly innocent people like they are barely human - it has to stop, now.

Period.


And deal with the aftermath then.



Personally, if the only way my country can survive is to be cruel to millions of innocent people...then let my country die.

 

Palestinian is not a Race, the race is Arab. There are plenty of Arab countries for them to live in.

 

And there are plenty of Western countries for the Jewish Israeli's to live in.

I am guessing America would take all of them if need be.


Just sayin'...

 

Jerusalem is the capital of the Israelites. Jerusalem is in Israel. Thus the only place for the Jews is in the Middle East right where they are at now.

The Arabs own 99% of the Middle East, why can't they just let Israel have her tiny slice of land. Leave Israel alone in peace and Israel will leave you alone in peace.

 

Funny, lots of Jews don't live in Israel...in fact, more of them then live in Israel.

And they seem to be getting along okay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population#By_country

 

So.

 

So, you do not dispute what I typed.

Good.


Have a less bored day.

 

What you typed doesn't matter ie it's immaterial. Thus my reply was "so" as in "so what".

 

And yet you still cannot dispute it and still reply to it.


I'll give you a 'what if'.

What if Jerusalem suddenly ceased to exist - in essence. All the people evacuated and then a terrorist set of a nuclear bomb in Jerusalem which totally destroyed it and somehow rendered the area uninhabitable for 100 years.

What would Jews do then?

 

First thing they'd do is hunt down the terrorist, his family, his clan, his base of operations, the bomb maker, the entire support network where ever they may be and kill them all. If it was a state sponsored terrorist that state would also cease to exist.

then they'd start over. Like they have done literally hundreds of times before.

 

Start over where?

Their precious Jerusalem is destroyed and the land uninhabitable?

 

I agree letting hamas remain such a powerful armed force would be a problem for both Palestine and Israel.

so one is okay and should be supported and the other is an act of war?
If the Palestinian think they are already a nation and are going to the UN to get some recognition of that, then lobbing rockets becomes a serious act of war now doesn't it.

And if they are a jailed people, how can they be a functioning country?

No, you keep millions of people under occupation because they refuse to compromise for peace.

Without a secure peace agreement, it is a foregone conclusion that Hamas and the rest of the armed thugs would get much better weapons and they'd wind up killing more Israelis than they can right now.

Having a real military, one would think that the people without a real military might consider compromising. Naaaaaa that won't work.

Nonsense. I am saying that as long as the Palestinians remain intractable wrt a peace treaty that defines borders, specifically renounces the goal of liberation of all of historic palestine, ensures security for both sides, compensates the dispossed refugees, and compromises on resource sharing, there won't be peace.

Until and unless that happens, Israel isn't just going to walk away from the occupied territories as you seem to think they should.

 

I don't 'seem to think they should'.

I KNOW they should.

And one way or another...they will.

Even Olmert knew that...it's inevitable.

 

Bigger question what would the Christians do then. No Jerusalem, no bible.

 

I could care less.

All major religions are a complete and total waste of time, imo.

I think they are for the weak and/or the ignorant and/or the desperate.

 

Based upon the territory that might be considered to actually be Israel based upon UNGA Resolution 181 are Gaza militants firing rockets into Israel or are they firing them into Israeli occupied territory (see attachment).

We need to remember that in 1949 when Israel signed the Armistice with Jordan it was accepted by both sides that territories occupied by Israel during the Arab-Israeli War were not to be considered as a part of the territory of Israel.

 

Of course Jordan broke the armistice agreement with Israel and attacked Israel which obviously nullified all clauses of the agreement. The current peace treaty between Israel and Jordan has all their border issues resolved which renders your argument dead on arrival.