Germans say Russia is more reliable than the United States

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  1. Sobo

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    Is it loyal to follow idiocy or call it out?
     
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    Again, you're retreating to your fantasies and I want no involvement there whatsoever. Find another outlet.
     
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    The question, always, is whether they are good for the country, or the world, and not only for members of their own political party. The latter has been the leftist ideology for far too long.
     
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    No, Thatcher did not oppose the reunification of Germany, only that caution need be used, as indeed it by the West German government. It's still not completely fixed, culturally for example in some ares, but the conditions have certainly changed dramatically for the better. Here's an excellent book on the subject by someone who was directly involved.

    https://www.amazon.ca/President-Pope-Prime-Minister-Changed/dp/159698550X

    And here are Margaret Thatcher's comments.

    http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107819
     
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    Leftists are infamous for only seeing the small picture.
     
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    Well then, at best the old lady was schizophrenic on it then, lmao.

    'The Germans Are Back!'
    Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher bitterly opposed Germany's reunification. 'We beat the Germans twice, and now they're back,' she allegedly remarked after the fall of the Berlin Wall. But a new raft of documents reveals just how isolated in her opinion the Iron Lady really was.

    http://m.spiegel.de/international/e...nification-the-germans-are-back-a-648364.html
     
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    You're now a medical authority who relies on allegations for your diagnosis? You should take yourself and your posts more seriously.
     
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    So who was the idiot the last time Germany preferred Russia?
     
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    USA. In 2003 germany denied USA support in Iraq and formed an Anti US coalition with russia and france
     
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    Well not if you’re referring to my crack about her being schizophrenic, that was a lark, but she clearly was against the unification. She was also clearly marginalized in her opinion.
     
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    Is that latter claim just another 'lark'?

    These 'larks' are largely why Leftists cannot be taken very seriously. Read the posts from other Leftists and you'll readily see how juvenile they are and why you should avoid mimicking them, especially on what could be an otherwise interesting topic.
     
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    No, she had little company in her position against German unification. Probably why she wasn’t affective in opposing it. And why do you call me a leftist, or better yet, why are you wasting your time with someone that you don’t take serious. Why not go do something productive with your life??
     
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    Whether she agreed or not, it went ahead anyway, contrary to her opinion or view.
    Despite her misgivings , the UK wasn't going to be left behind.
    Reunification went fairly smoothly contrary to what many may have thought, which was a good thing. These people should've never been kept apart.
     
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    Many didn’t think otherwise, she was rather alone in her opinion, which is why she was ineffective, she didn’t support unification as you said she did.
     
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    Exactly. Fair weather friends.
     
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    The iraq war was idiotic. Our chancellor said he does not stand infront his people and justifies so,ethimg he doesnt believe in. Thats standing for your point.
     
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    Read her own words, not allegations, nor those from third parties. http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107819
     
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    She was not against German reunification. I sent you her own words.
    She did not oppose it.
    Because you appear to be a leftist, despite your own feelings about yourself.
    This is productive. I put my ideas and opinions up against others in the hope of discovering the truth of any situation - to have my opinions challenged. Are you secure in the idea that you already have all the truths and prefer not have them challenged?
     
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    Not necessarily, but why would I debate with another poster who candidly tells me he doesn’t take me seriously, shrug.
     
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    I can think of no reason why you would want to. It wouldn't do any good. He's not listening to you.
     
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    EXACTLY!
     
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    What a ridiculous, nationalist-oriented comment. You think everyone ought to support the US today in the face of its treachery world-wide ... just because they were considered "good guys" in the Second World War. Rubbish! And now you think because the Soviet Union was treacherous during Stalin that no one should support Russia in spite of all the good it is doing today. Rubbish! That is really stupid, Dick & Jane, kindergarten mentality. Utter buffoonery!
     
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    Empty rhetoric is so profoundly unconvincing. But I realise it's the only thing you have left because you dare not debate facts.

    But fine, let's agree not to engage further.
     
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    I ask again, how should our chancellor justify to send german soldiers into a war, he doesnt believe in? The Iraq war broke UN right, was illegal and wrong in evry aspect.

    A good friend tells you when you are wrong. Our foreign minister said openly while your foreign minister was there, that he cant stand infront his people and justify something he doesnt believe in.
     
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    That would seem to imply that one can always be right, or, always be wrong.

    The United States once pulled the French’s ass out of the grease. But we have a significant number of Americans, even within our government, that have the attitude that France forever owes an allegiance to the US for the remainder of their existence. There is no room for France to once feel in compelling manner that the US is wrong. As was the case in Iraq in 2002/3.
     
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