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High court in UK sides with government, buries data revealing how many children have died from COVID vaccines

Wonder how much the judges got paid to facilitate this?

 

Take a round of applause. You edjamakate well.

 

And on yours will read, "I followed the crowd".

 

An observation.
Fact-checking has been around for quite some time now. But, just like MSM, it has now being utilised to mould the minds with the narrative of the opposite, to assist in the sculpture of the agenda.
An example;
Fact check: No evidence mask wearing will cause bacterial pneumonia
Masks are Harmful: 17 Ways That Masks Can Cause Harm

So is fact-checking good? Not for me.

 

Umm, they're not. Your belief in the mutterings of hacks and witch doctors is sad.

 

If you are healthy and non at risk, you have far greater chance of dying from the vaccine than from the virus.

 

Not true. Provide some links to support your comments that can be refuted or stop spreading uninformed misinformation.

 

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-german-government-admits-hundreds

Someone needs to update the math. I just had about three more friends post on FB today that they are sick with COVID. All are vaxxed and boosted.

 

No.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

The poor quality of your conspiracy theory is offensive. We're used to better. You're just phoning it in.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

 

A lot of people are sick with covid. That in no way supports what your claim. The vaccine prevents you from dying. But you can still catch it. That has always been true.

This is for everyone on the planet
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...eaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages

 

Frankly, if you haven't been vaccinated by now, please don't.

 

What is offensive is you being willing to believe what they show you and refusing to question what they won't show you. That's the literal definition of manipulation and that isn't science.

https://www.msn.com/en-US/health/me...n-booster-effectiveness-for-those-/ar-AAU8Pka

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-e...-cruise-ships-is-this-good-for-public-health/

They have to hide the data because.....science!

There's not enough data to support anybodies claims with regard to the latest variants. If you think there is then post it.

 

What is enough and who are you? What are your degrees? From where do you think you derive your alleged authority, Alex Jones?

What studies have you read? What were their strengths and weaknesses? How were they done?

 

LOL

Some random person on a forum thinks I need their sanction and that they can make demands.

 

Citing the CDC is the error with this argument. Of course, they're going to show you nice glossy data. Just to make you feel all warm and fuzzy. They're so full of it, that you can smell it from across the Pacific pond.

 

Alnylam Pharmaceuticals claims Pfizer, Moderna infringed on its patent rights to make COVID-19 vaccines

 

Then why the truck take that sh!t then if you're going to get covid still? It doesn't not prevent you from dying, it accelerates the process, along with any other injuries caused by it.

 

You commented in a prior post that 'you have a far greater chance of dying from the vaccine than from the virus'. I asked for links to support this comment, what you linked to does not support your comment at all.

The Alex Berenson article states that

This information comes from the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut (PEI) but Berenson totally misrepresents what they have stated. You can find the vaccine safety report here with the actual statistics and what they mean (as opposed to Alex Berenson's comments).

The article discusses 'temporal association' which means like the VAERS system they are looking at what is reported and treat the reports as 'suspected adverse events'. Most people understand that these reporting systems are fraught with problems. If a person has a headache after the vaccine, they might assume that the headache was the result of the vaccine. They might have had a headache for a totally different reason.

What the PEI has published is the 'reporting rate' for the vaccines. The reporting rate for severe reactions Comirnaty and Spikevax was 0.2 reports per 1,000 vaccines doses or 1 report out of every 5000 doses. This a lot different that what Berenson stated. The Paul-Ehrlich-Institute in no way said that 1 out of every 5,000 covid jabs cause serious side-effects.

They state that the vast majority of reported reactions are temporary local and systemic reactions.

The authors state that

Again, the reporting rate was 1 out of 5000 doses and they say the following related to cause-and-effect relationships.

Again, this not what Berenson claims. It is fairly typical of the anti-vaxxers. They tweet something real and then skew the hell out of it and people don't bother to check the claims. Berenson doesn't mention anywhere that the PEI analyses demonstrated that vaccines are safe to use, nor does he mention a 'temporal' relationship.

Lastly, the PEI have stated that if the reporting rate for an adverse event after vaccination is significantly higher than would be statistically expected in a comparable population, they would examine this further with additional studies to determine if the risk would warrant pulling the vaccination off the market.

So, your comment that 'you have a far greater chance of dying from the vaccine than from the virus' is not supported by the Berenson article you linked too if you read what the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut actually found and stated in their report.

Do you have any links to support your comment?

As for Alex Berenson, he is known to promote disinformation about the vaccines and covid-19 and the biggest problem occurs when people don't actually go further to determine whether what he is saying is true or not. Apparently Berenson has been named the 'wrongest' man on the internet. It's quite a good article and it addresses all the disinformation Berenson has published on the internet.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/

You also stated

Virologists from the beginning understood that vaccines for covid-19 would not prevent the illness and that there would have to be booster shots. These viruses mutate. The vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 are excellent at reducing symptomatic infection and they are extraordinarily successful at preventing severe illness from COVID-19. This is the point of the vaccines despite the anti-vaxxers trying to claim they are useless. I wonder how many deaths these promotors of disinformation have caused?

So you had three more FB friends post they are sick with COVID even though vaxxed and boosted. And the vaccines they got could have reduced their symptoms and prevented them from getting severe illness if they were at risk from pre-existing illnesses and so forth. It doesn't mean the vaccines are useless just because people are getting infected. Despite the claims of some, the vaccines are still working against these variants. https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2022/02/1...-protect-against-omicron-what-the-data-shows/

 

According to the Daily Mail the CDC is not publishing all their data. There is a lot of data out there. Is every single country omitting data? From what I just read from Germany and the UK, it doesn't appear that data is being hidden or omitted.

Do you believe that people like Alex Berenson and others like him are not manipulating people? You and others on this thread have been manipulated by these people promoting disinformation.

 

My takeaway from this thread is that the anti-vaxxers want to rely on sources that just aren't credible, and if you disagree with them and use actual science-based sources, you're a "lemming" and the credible sources are "lying" and are "murdering" people.

 

Regarding the dogma of the church, yes.

 

When I went back and searched for that phrase it was used by someone else. I think you are conflating the two posters and you chose to create a quote rather than just quote me. Please go quote where I said that.

Actually Berenson discusses the claim of the "German Federal Ministry of Health" and it appears in part that they are soliciting more input since the system in question has concerns that you spend much time discussing below.

One thing hard to understand when discussing this with folks like yourself is how you'll link to something several months old. If the German Federal Ministry of Health made this tweet it appears they are seeing some changes in the health care system and they are soliciting people to come forward so perhaps they can try to get a handle on what is happening. I say this because through this entire COVID episode I've been dealing with folks like yourself pointing to 4-6 months ago and declaring the present isn't happening because of 4-6 month ago conclusions, data, etc. I've had the same discussions with folks like yourself and frankly I'm a bit tired of the same routine. We saw this first with sterilizing immunity and how Biden took the mask off and slapped it back on around five weeks later. The claims about viral load and vaccination were garbage. We saw it about the emerging need for a booster, later the second booster, the coming Omicron infection of just about everyone, etc.

You don't have the science on your side. You've got old claims getting ready to be proven wrong again.

Show it was my comment.

So the regime media runs an article in "The Atlantic" and it just becomes gospel truth now? You're aware that Berenson is back on Twitter. When the company had the choice to prove in court that he engaged in misinformation they chose to reinstate him. The tweet in question, that the vaccines are more like a therapeutic and have a very limited window of efficacy and do not act like a proper vaccine is all well understood common information now. It was of course "misinformation" in the timeframe of the Atlantic article which being from April of 2021 is like ancient history for COVID.

This is straight up gaslighting at this stage. Everyone was told from the beginning that it was a two stage shot, provided sterilizing immunity for life for 95% of the population which is enough for herd immunity. Everything that has flowed from the failures of those claims has been unscientific and amounts to watching our institutions simply gaslight and try to pretend they are doing something. You can smell the desperation.

Are you going to claim there is robust data out there for efficacy and lack of severe side effects for starting off with the J&J, boosting the first round with Moderna and boosting the second time with Pfizer? Yet the government has said that mixing and matching all these different products is just fine.

I've posted at least two example in this thread of the CDC refusing to provide or continue to publish data. One was on the efficacy of boosters for below 60 year olds and the other was related to cruise ships.

The longer we have been at this, the more data they are hiding.

I've also got a memory good enough to remember the claims that the mRNA viruses would only produce the spike protein at the site it was administered and all the concerns about it causing secondary problems were unfounded.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go

Yet we are seeing, no we don't have deep, long peer reviewed studies but nothing does at this early stage, we are seeing "admissions" and then questions about menstrual cycles. We are seeing a rise in sudden deaths and excess deaths not attributable to anything. We are seeing many more cardiac events in previously health individuals. Our flailing institutions are trying to separate vaccine injury from "long COVID", especially since the people who got the vaccine shouldn't have been able to get COVID, etc. It is going to be a big mess to sort out and we are going to uncover many lies by our goverment and institutions along the way.

In the meantime, there is no other vaccine you are asked to take if you've already had what it covers. When people say measles, polio, rubella, chicken pox, etc you don't go get the vaccine if you've already had them. That's sound science that disappears with COVID. You don't crap on natural immunity while noting that what all vaccines trigger is a response from your immune system. Sound science would never say that those who have had COVID need vaccination. Vaccination triggers the exact same response. If you can trigger that response in a safer way that better but for those of US who have had COVID there is no scientific rationale to demand vaccination.

 

What happened was, the member @Irrational thinker said:

I responded:

You then posted the following response after you quoted what I said above which is why I mixed you up with Irrational thinker:

Anyways, thank you for your lengthy response. I will consider what you have said and respond tomorrow.

 

Speaking of spreading intentional government misinformation.

The NAZI "propagandist" Herr Goebbels, would be very proud of you....