Girl shows up police

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  1. hiimjered

    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are police for anyway?

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    Far more in-depth story.

    If a 12 year old girl can outshine the police, what are we paying taxes for?
     
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    She made them appear lazy...
     
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    Union protected salaries, benefits and pensions guarantee mediocrity.
     
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    I don't think the Atlanta police are really gung ho to find the stolen property of a black grandmother.

    As of this morning they still haven't arrested the thieves.
     
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    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How about this, nationally about 3/4 of robberies are never closed, the goods are not recovered and the criminals are not brought to justice.
     
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    What an incredibily stupid comment. I'm not saying you're stupid, hiimjered, no, never would I say that. I'm just saying your comment is incredibily stupid. Now if your comment were, "why can't the police do what this 12-year old girl did?" that would not be a stupid comment. But, no, your comment was amazingly stupid.
     
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    This case was a burglary. I am not at all surprised is 75% of the robberies aren't closed. On many burglaries now the police don't even go to the scene of the crime. They fill out the report for the insurance company and that's it.
     
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    I see you wish race to be the issue. This is Atlanta.
     
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    Good point. The burglary closure rate is a pitiful 10% nationally. Good news for burglars, you have a 90% chance of getting off scot-free.

    What is the point of making burglary a crime if we don't enforce it?
     
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    The issue isn't race at all.. Its a matter of importance..

    I am in Atlanta.. The police still haven't arrested the thieves.
     
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    Do you want a drag net thrown out? Would that violate constitutional rights?If they don't have an identified suspect and the street ethic is "snitches get stitches", what do you want them to do? Crime has exploded since the Left's social revolution, and it isn't going to get better with the Left wanting to pat the fannies of criminals. Hell, the Democrats want felons to be able to vote.

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    The thief has been identified.. They also have his address.
     
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    They would also have his prints and possibly his DNA if they bothered to check the area of entry (which the 12-year-old had to find and show the police. The police thought the burglar used a key in the front-door.)

    It really comes down to the fact that these officers obviously didn't care at all about this case. I don't know whether they feel they are overburdened with other cases, whether they have failed in cases like this that they finally gave up, or whether they just don't care about this family or the law, but one way or another they just don't care enough to put forth a reasonable effort. Even when the girl pointed out the real point of entry, they did nothing. Even now that the girl found the stuff at a pawnshop, which also had the name and address of the thief, they did nothing.
     
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    Even though the question wasn't asked, I'll answer the question, "Why couldn't the police do what the girl did?"

    When I was working as a detective I got an average of 70 new cases a week. That would be cases of all sort. The cases involving personal injury or a significant risk of injury went to the top. I complained to my supervisor that it was ridiculous to expect me to work 70 cases a week. Couldn't be done.

    "The powers that be want something done on every case so I want you to make one phone call on each case."

    Incredibily stupid but the powers that be--politicians--rule.

    So, I took the cases that were relatively important and worked them. The rest I threw away. And, yes, I realize that for the man whose hose and sprinkler was stolen it was just as important as the woman who was beaten and robbed.

    While we're here, I had a politician demand to know why, if we had 32 patrol officers, there were only five working when she called the police department a few days before. I was shocked. I said, "For starters, we have to staff three shifts seven days a week." She didn't get it. Then I pointed out that due to caseload, 8 at night to 4 in the morning had additional officers which meant less for other times. Then I pointed out that we had training. Every officer had to go shoot every three months, in case we ever got sued over a shooting, and then was time off work. We had just sent every officer to a totally pointless one-day diversity class on orders of a politician. That was time off work, too. And, the (*)(*)(*)(*)ed officers wanted their vacation time off and some of them even got sick once in awhile. And, when officers went to court it was almost always when they were not scheduled to work so they got comp time which they did take off when they were supposed to be working. And if they showed up for court, they would wait two hours, getting three hours comp time, and the defense lawyer would ask his poker buddy, the judge, for a continuance and it would, of course, be granted.

    But, I learned a long time ago that nothing is difficult to do if you don't have to do it and for some they don't have to do a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing so nothing is difficult.

    I really do admire the young lady and her family. She did a good thing. I hope they burglars do get arrested. Of course, then they will be turned loose immediately, cut a deal with the D.A., and be back out doing burglaries.

    I also realize that nothing is difficult for those who don't have to do it and for those who do nothing. that means nothing is difficult.

    For the record, until the politicians and lawyers stop them, the police enjoy catching crooks.
     
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    In this case, they do now. Are you suggesting that they will not follow up?

    Care to answer any of my questions about crime in general?
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    I doubt they want to pay for the protection that they desire.

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    No, Hiimjered, wrong again. You have a 90% chance of never being caught. You have a 99.9% chance of getting off scot free. Do you know how most burglaries are closed? A burglar is caught, purely by accident. A neighbor sees the burglar going in and calls the police or the burglar falls asleep and the homeowner comes home. Pure accident. Then, the district attorney says, "If you'll tell us all the burglaries you've done you can be charged and it will be handled all as one burglary." It's called, "Let's Make a Deal." Universally hated by police. So, the burglar confesses to thirty-five burglaries and they're "closed".

    Our local sheriff's department interrupted a burglar, he jumped in a car and took off, and in the chase he crashed through a barricade, into a lake, and died. The S.O. cleared every burglary on the books. For months, we had burglars making a deal and confessing to burglaries that S.O. had already closed.
     
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    Now you're down to the Democrat position of eliminating crime by doing away with the laws. If it's not illegal then there won't be a crime.
     
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    It remains to be seen whether they arrest the thief or not.
     
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    I disagree. I was a police officer for thirty years and I don't think people do get what they're paying for. But, politicians lie to the people constantly so they don't even know what they're getting.

    If I had the power, I would limit political interference with the police department to matters of policy. I was stuck for three days running radar in a quiet residential area because the mayor complained to the police chief. I wrote one ticket.

    If I had the power I would not allow police unions. We had an officer we wanted to fire for brutality. The union was fighting to get him a permanent desk job where he did not have to interract with the public. Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). When I was on patrol I was making bar checks in working class bars downtown. A bar check simply involves strolling in and out of bars and chatting with people but it does keep problems down. I came out of a bar to see two police officers standing there. "You're not allowed to make bar checks without a back up." I said that was nuts and to show me the rule. "It's a union rule." Fine, that's just one of the many reasons I refused to join the friggin' union.

    If I had the power, I would make the ride-along program where citizens could right a shift with an officer to see what we did mandatory.

    We did a satisfaction survey and found that the lowest satisfaction was from college students who had never had contact with the police. The second lowest was from victims of crimes.

    The highest satisfaction came from people who had been arrested by the police and the more often they were arrested the higher the satisfaction level.

    I think the survey is accurate and explainable but it does raise issues about the system.

    Oh, I also submitted a proposal to enlist volunteer help from victims investigating their crimes and one of the examples I gave was having the victims check the pawn shops since they could recognize the property. If they didn't want to it would go on the to-be-done-sometime list. The politicians threw a fit when they heard about my suggestion.

    We also need to revisit the concept of victim-precipitated crime and the implications for policy. The research was scotched because of complaints from womens groups.
     
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    So, you have no idea.

    You have no answers.

    Got it.

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    It hasn't happened YET.. So wait and see.
     
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    I was visiting San Diego years ago on business. I was riding with patrol and an officer stopped a man for something minor but there was a warrant for failure to appear in court on a previous charge. I expected the man to get arrested but, no, he was issued a summons to go to court for an additional charge of not going to court on an earlier charge.

    I'm sorry, but the inmates are in charge of the asylum.
     
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    I think they aren't getting the service that they are paying for because they support the handcuffing of the police, while expecting no stone left unturned for the investigation of "their crime". Basically, people are schizophrenic, when it comes to LE.
     

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