https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...sedgntp&cvid=95b606e4e4214f1aafa3e08379fb2b74 So if the answer to a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun, I want to know which of these men were wearing the white hat on this day, and if neither of them, who should have had a gun that did not. Would this have been a better outcome if the wife had one too instead of the bottle, or either of the two kids, or maybe Harvey the witness who called the cops? How do more guns in cars make our streets safer from road rage incidents like this?
Wow, what a story of stupidity! <Snip> In arrest reports for the two drivers, witness Roger Harvey described the scene as a "cat and mouse" game. Harvey called 911, saying Hale and Allison were driving so erratically that he "knew something bad was going to happen." Hale told police that he rolled down his front passenger window and yelled at Allison to pull over. In response, Allison said his wife "flicked off" the other car with her middle finger. The next moment, a plastic water bottle was thrown into Allison's car. At that point, Allison grabbed his Sig Saur 45-millimeter handgun and fired at the back of the Dodge Ram before speeding away. His shot entered the back passenger door and struck Hale's 5-year-old daughter in the leg. When Hale realized his daughter was shot, he chased after the Nissan Murano and fired several rounds from a Glock 9-millimeter gun. Three rounds hit the Nissan and one ripped through the rear of the car, hitting Allison's 14-year-old girl in the back and causing her lung to collapse. Both men pulled over when a sheriff's deputy arrived. They argued with each other and started fighting until the deputy broke them up, said Leeper. Hale and Allison have each been charged with one count of attempted second-degree murder. "I thought of the movie Dumb and Dumber," said the sheriff. "How stupid could two people be to endanger their children, not only by driving recklessly, but by shooting a gun at another vehicle while engaged in a road rage incident is just insane." The two children were transported to a hospital in Jacksonville. The 5-year-old had non-life-threatening injuries and the 14-year-old initially had critical injuries but is expected to survive. <End> Why am I unsurprised to hear, this happened in Florida?
Everything seems like a typical enough roadrage incident between two testostone filled idiots, until "When Hale realized his daughter was shot, he chased after the Nissan Murano and fired several rounds from a Glock 9-millimeter gun. Three rounds hit the Nissan and one ripped through the rear of the car, hitting Allison's 14-year-old girl in the back and causing her lung to collapse. When my kid gets shot with a gun, in my car, and the culpret is speeding away, I would think the smart and instinctive thing to do, is to stop chasing the guy who shot her in the hopes of returning fire, and creating space from the danger by slowing down, to exit to the nearest hospital and get my screaming terrified five year old treated. Macho a Macho stops being my priority once my daughter is hit with gunfire and I already have her buckled in her custom ordered ambulance. He's thinking of teaching a lesson of retribution to a car speeding away, with his baby girl shot in the leg and shrieking in agony.
Maybe it shouldn't have, but what surprised me, was reading that 85% of us, have experienced road rage. In that state of mind, people aren't thinking clearly, as you go on to point out, about the guy being more interested in retribution, than keeping his family at a safe distance, from the guy who'd just fired into his family's vehicle, and getting to his shot, 5 year old kid, medical care. Hence, the danger, as your OP emphasizes, of having a gun in one's car (particularly, a loaded one). At the very least, your ammunition should be taped together, with a relaxation cd.
It's actually the norm. Good guys with guns, cause more problems than they solve even if they happen to exist where and when they are needed which they don't. Much more frequently we are left with only bad guys with guns. I define an otherwise morally perfect well intentioned guy, who has bad judgement, is inexperienced or undertrained trying to use a gun, as a bad guy with a gun until that weapon is out of his hands and somewhere safe. A good guy with a gun is 'a freak, fringe example'
Tell us you don't understand statistics without actually saying that you don't understand statistics. Cite needed. Private definitions are worthless in a debate.
Goofy question: There is no rule that says when two men face off with guns one is the de facto "good gun". The answer to your question is> BOTH GUYS are 1) scum; 2) criminals
I recently watched a couple of compilations of dashcam-captured road rage incidents. I have to say, it was horrifying. Not because they ended as violently as this one, but just because they happen so often, and are so over the top. Male, female, young, old .. doesn't seem to matter. It seems as though people are driving around unhinged, or super entitled ... or something. While road rage happens here too, it's not frequent, and it's mild and fleeting compared to the stuff I saw in those compilations. And it's also almost exclusively young males doing it here .. which is about what you'd expect.
I've never experienced it in my life. The closest I've come is a middle finger as the person passed me. Asking around, most people haven't experienced anything worse than that, or a horn blast, or shouted abuse. That's what people do here .. get their petty point across then leave. We don't do this insane cat & mouse stuff. That's asking for trouble far greater than the situation warrants - which is why I can't understand people doing that. Surely they recognise that doing so exposes them to immense danger? And for what end? What are they achieving .. in their minds?
The loony fringe extremists are convincing otherwise peaceful people that everyone who doesn't think exactly as they do, is their mortal enemy. Our divisive politics is filtering down to everyday life. Sickening.
I don't see this moronic incident as evidence that guns in cars are bad. Overpopulation, more cars on the road, stupid people and people who think they have something important to do seem to cause Road Rage. I can't think of anything that justifies DWD. (Driving While Dueling)
It looks ... from a clinical and external perspective ... more like a combination of entitlement and immaturity. These extreme responses aren't fleeting 'near miss' fear-based reactions, they're basically toddler tantrums. Look at cultures which default to apology in these situations. The behaviour is far less entitled and far more mature.
