Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göbekli_Tepe Wonderful archaeological site. Has anyone here read compared this to Sumerian legends?
That's awesome. Seems to be like the intellectual birth of civilization Also interesting is that the area and events resemble the genesis. Word of God or not, one has to entertain the idea that this story has historical roots.
cool............... Amazingly, the temple's builders were able to cut, shape, and transport 16-ton stones hundreds of feet despite having no wheels or beasts of burden. sounds like they were using math and science before religion too
Maybe they employed those GIANTS that were born of the union between 'the sons of gods, and the daughters of men'...or dinosaurs..uh huh.
american's are taller than most and i have even seen size 12 pumps for transvestites in san fran (market street) you may fit in nicely there. As then you could have a hotdog between your buns
I read something about the Tree Of Kife just today.. In most ancient cultures it was the food of the gods and assured immortality.
Probably an Animism religion. Ancient Jericho's residents kept ancestors' heads for possible worship as well. Fascinating stuff. You might be interested in this: [ame="http://www.amazon.com/After-Ice-Global-History-000-5000/dp/0674015703"]Amazon.com: After the Ice: A Global Human History 20,000-5000 BC (978067401570: Steven Mithen: Books[/ame] _
Someone please tell me. How the hell an 11,000+ yr old civilization who are supposed to be grunting cave dwellers can build something like this, with no math, no wheel, no written language? Gobekli Tepi shows a very refined type of architecture with ART! These are megalithic structures requiring advanced civilization. How did they quarry, transport, and carve these? How did they feed the hundreds/thousands of people necessary to accomplish this? How about Puma Punku in Peru? Interlocking stones carved with such precision, that even today, master masons say they would not even attempt to replicate this work? Stone that is so hard, that today, only a laser or diamond tipped saw could cut. Hundreds of ton blocks of granite or diorite quarried, transported, and carved, by primative man, without advanced technology? How about Tiahuanacu in Bolivia? It may be even older than Gobekli Tepi, by several thousand years! Massive stones with carvings depicting animals extinct for 12 thousand years. Yes, this is a true mystery. Even the great pyramid is realistically impossible today, as experts would admit. The sheer number of stone blocks, fitted with such precision, built in 22 years? And how in hell did pyramids get built in Mexico, India, etc., without collusion? The base of the Pyramid of the Sun in Mexico for example, is within feet of the Great Pyramid at Giza. Coincidence? I don't think so. Not a chance. Sorry, there is way too many strange things out there with NO adequate explanations by modern archaeology. Some other technologies were employed in the building of these megaliths. Clearly they were quarried in the areas they were built. But the entire process SHOULD have been beyond the capabilities of those peoples. We have been so conditioned to accept the contemporary explanation of these megaliths that we never think beyond the surface, to the sheer impossibility of the explanations. The truth is still out there, waiting to be discovered.
it does seem like history isn't the clean, straight line people would believe it to be. It is possible that there have been much larger swings and dips than we have been led to believe.
GOBEKI TEPE PICTURES FROM NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text
This is based on a number of assumptions that are probably quite false regarding early human societies. For example, we have no idea if they had math or the wheel or not; that is an assumption on our part because we have found no direct evidence to suggest they did (though we don't know enough about the people who built Gobekli Tepe to comment on that matter at all). Some of these very early civilizations exist only as fragmentary ruins; vast pieces of which are missing, and can never be restored. There are many ruins, for example, with languages that we cannot interpret, and thus have no good idea of where they came from or of the people who lived there, or anything beyond the physical remains we find. Not so. The pyramids are quite possible to explain without aliens or supernatural forces. Keep in mind that these civilizations surely had people more accustomed to building with megaliths than we do today--since that is not a construction technique people actually use today. Surely they wouldn't have started with the most impressive structures. Clearly it is possible to construct such features--people did it, so there's obviously a method of doing so, and probably one that's quite simple if properly understood. After all, it was replicated in so many different places. It's a basic geometric shape that makes sense for the construction of stone buildings. Given that there's no other geometric shape that could be used to construct such large buildings with nothing but stacked stones, it makes sense that they would be independently derived. This is more of an indication that they both had mathematical skill, and that both societies did run the calculations before constructing them. Even if we don't actually know this to be true, it can be reasonably inferred through their wise selection of mathematically useful designs. Clearly not. The idea that these structures are impossible is silly; hard work and a high degree of proficiency with basic engineering principles provides an adequate explanation here. This seems impossible to us only because we wouldn't have had the audacity or the need to construct buildings in such a manner. Nor do typical building projects today have sufficient manpower to do it--in short, they're only impossible because we'd never consider devoting the required resources into similar structures today.
Well, YOU'VE just spewed the current archaeological line of BS!!! I'm not saying anything about aliens. I'm saying that based on what we KNOW of these peoples, most of these megaliths SHOULD not have been possible. Talk to men who move heavy things. Ask them how to move a block of stone weighing from 50-400 TONS! And some weigh even more. Getting the picture? I know these stones were quarried, transported, and carved. But using what tools, what math, what language, what math, what technology? In other words, HOW DID THEY DO IT? There are a lot of missing pages to these stories, because based on current archaeological dogma, again, these megaliths SHOULD not have been possible. Regarding the Great Pyramid. There are 2.3 million stones. If built in 22 years as was written, that means that a stone must be cut, transported, and fitted every 5 minutes, 24 hours a day! Every 5 minutes of every day for 22 years. Oh really? Since they likely did not work at night for various reasons, the numbers become even more insane. No way.
That's probably the year of anthropology I took in college speaking. Yes, they are very large, but physics still applies. People can and have replicated the proposed construction methods, and they would work if scaled to a large number of people. Talk to the men who move heavy things today, ask them how often they've worked with 15,000 workers. Yes, it is doable, but difficult. The how of the matter is honestly rather less important than the why of it, since it represents a massive investment of resources for relatively little return. We know vaguely the purpose of the structures (in most cases), but it seems odd that societies would develop such extensive burial and religious rituals with such limited resources. I know you think it's impossible, but you underestimate the power of simple machines and determination. There's not much that can't be moved with levers and rollers. Obviously they had a more sophisticated knowledge of mathematics and engineering than the direct evidence shows; that's the only way to explain how they did this without invoking aliens, gods, psychic powers or other nonsense. Very heavy objects can be moved without advanced technology, if you're in no particular hurry and have vast amounts of labor available. Don't make the mistake of thinking that because this would be exceptionally difficult to construct with modern methods that it would have been impossibly difficult using less advanced methods. The way we build buildings today is radically, fundamentally different from how they were built 200 years ago, and that was still different from how they were built 900 years ago, and that was surely different from how they were built 1900 years ago, or 3600 years ago. A lot of knowledge about the construction of megalithic structures has probably been lost over the millennia--because frankly it's not a very practical or useful type of construction. A great amount of irreplaceable knowledge was lost when the libraries of antiquity were burned to the ground. Perhaps they had records there, but they were destroyed. Or maybe the knowledge of how to build these large structures was never recorded, taught from one master engineer to the next. We'll honestly probably never know for sure. Actually, "archeological dogma" accepts that they were quite possible and, there are a number of proposals floating around about the precise construction methods used for megalithic structures in antiquity. The main debate is over which of these methods is the right one, or whether none of them are precisely correct. These structures are not, however, impossible to place within the known technological boundaries of ancient people. They just represent an enormous investment of resources and manpower. Or the time estimate is wrong, or they lied about how long it took, or their definition of the start of construction differs from ours today. Or they actually were placing a block every 5 minutes because they had a vast pool of skilled labor experienced in the construction of megalithic structures--something we do not have today. In fact, we have no one alive today experienced in the construction of megalithic structures, because no one actually does it today. Why does it seem so strange to you to think that perhaps this only seems exceptional because it's so grossly outdated that no one is still familiar with the technique?
But even if they were somehow capable of carving out a block every 5 minutes..they had to transport the blocks up some sort of ramp. And the number of available ramps must have been limited..I think the '5 minute' theory sort of falls apart once they were at the 'up the ramp' stage.
Maybe that time estimate doesn't include time spent preparing the materials. Or they lied to make it seem exceptionally fast. What makes you think only one group of workers would be using one ramp at one time? If they're able to consistently place a block every five minutes, then one would think they'd have teams with a block lined up on the ramps at five minute increments.
