God created sin - Change my mind

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    You're telling us what you believe. Yes, we all make our own choices based on the facts presented.
     
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    So what are you arguing about?
    If you admit it is among the reasons?
    No one knows the actual reasons, heck the story is likely fictional anyway.

    The Jewish people seemed to scared to act on their own and had the Romans do the dirty work. According to the story.
     
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    Woman created isn't the discussion.

    It's are mankind created from slime or dirt.
    The other poster must not know, he never gave an answer to mankind creation. Except to say it wasn't slime.
     
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    No, I'm not telling you what I believe. I'm telling you what I know. You are calling it a belief because the truth is too much for you to bear. So you log it as a belief because its easy to heft, and leave the truth behind.
     
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    And that's because those stories were written decades after the supposed events, by people who weren't there, and why there are so many inconsistencies from story to story.
     
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    But one of the biblical stories says that womankind was created from mankind by cloning some rib tissue from a bloke (Gen 2:21-23), instead of saying that mankind was created from womankind since we all start off as female in-utero.
     
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    I leave it to others to decide who is right. And again THE JEWS HAD NO RIGHT TO EXECUTE JESUS OR ANYONE. That was for the Romans.. I leave you to you to remain your ignorance.
     
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    Doesn't change the fact that the Jews could have easily executed the donkey rider if they wanted to, or put out a contract on him, and in the same way that he invited non sinners to cast the first stone and why he didn't, (John 8:7) and he didn't need to ask the Romans then either. Or so the story goes.
     
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    That's only what believe. I didn't have to prove anything to you or anybody else to have knowledge.
     
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    He must correct you because of you know something that he doesn't want to be true it's a problem for him.

    He is among the scattered seeds.
     
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    But they did have the right to execute him since John 19:12-18 says that the Jews actually crucified the donkey rider at the Jewish place of execution and not the Romans anyway. Or so the story goes.

    John 19:12-18

    12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

    13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.

    14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

    15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

    16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.

    17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

    18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.
     
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    stop dreaming.
     
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    You know nothing. READ MATTHEW, MARK AND LUKE'S accoiunt. It was the Romans who crucified Jesus at the Roman Governors -Pilate - orders. In one story we have the Roman soldiers taking charge when they left Pilate's place of judgement and laying the cross on Simon of Cyrene Roman soldiers would have escorted them. It was at the Roman crucifixion site on Golgotha where the Romans - not the Jews - executed people.

    Do try and learn the background on which the Gospels were written. The Roman laws superceded those of the Jews.Romans only executed with the Roman Governor giving the instruction.
     
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    Yeah, the ones that fell on stones and the birds came along and ate them.
     
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    I call it a belief because you have no evidence to share to make it known to anyone outside of yourself.
    Why would your belief be to much for me to bear.
    I care less what you actually believe.
     
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    Of course you don't. And no one is obligated to believe anyone else either.
    Without any proof, it's all make up.
     
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    You called it. It's a story.
     
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    God made himself known to me by his spirit. Therefore I say I know that God lives. It isn't about belief in a concept or parroting something someone else says. I know for myself. So I say it. In all the back and forth between belief and disbelief, someone should testify of the fact rather than to twirl around opinions. The fact that you continue to characterize what I know as a belief, tells me that you fear the truth. I speak for myself. For you to know what I know, you'd have to be me, which you are not. So don't pretend to reword my words as if you were me in correction. That would just make you an imposter.
     
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    Again, your belief is yours and yours alone.
    It has no impact on others. And I certainly have no fear.
    That you must keep stating that must come from some fear within.
     
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    Nobody is obligated to believe anything. And you not believing something is not relevant
     
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    Of course it is. To me.
    Every one's beliefs are only relevant to themselves. That's why they believe them.
     
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    So what; it's just a story in a book. Were you there? John 19:16 says that the donkey rider was given to the Jews to crucify. Either way, the Jewish authorities could have easily executed the donkey-riding "King-of-the-Jews" if he existed and had done something naughty against Jewish law.

    Do try to learn the background on which the gospels were written. The fictional stories about the donkey rider in the Mark gospel were written in Greek during the Jewish uprising between 66-73 AD and described in Mark 3, and the Matthew and Luke gospels were written later and based on the Mark gospel with some extra embellishments and fantasies. And the John gospel was written about 100 AD. And the book of Revelation is a fantasy story about the future fall of the Roman Empire.
     
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    but not to me and since you offered it to me I thought I would inform you.


    Also what the hell were you talking about this obligation crap. You just walked away from that did you think that anyone in the history of the US was after obligated to participate in any kind of religion
     
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    so that also applies to you the diary of Anne Frank accounts of the civil war. They're all just story books because you weren't there.
     
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    That's what the story says.
     

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