God exists because it is written in the Bible. The Bible is true because it is the word of God

I thought the same thing. I think what we are seeing/reading demonstrates a failure of the Turing Test.

 

The first statement is an opinion. "some" people claim to believe precisely what I said, and that is a fact. The second statement is no more false than it is true. Its a belief, either way. Sometimes 'I don't know' isn't good enough and people must go whichever way makes the most sense to them. And that should be OK with everyone who doesn't demand total conformity of opinion.

If you 'don't know', how can you claim its 'false'? I mean you could say 'likely false', but thats not what you said. You 'dont know,' right?

 

Perhaps.

 

Multiple prophecies from thousands of years ago predicted that Israel would reject their savior, be scattered, and then be restored in the latter days. The Jews rejected Jesus, were scattered, and after their darkest hour of the holocaust, the nation of Israel was restored in 1948, the first Jewish state in two thousand years.

 

"I don't know" is ALWAYS "good enough" when, in fact, you do not know.

 

Please provide the specific text reference for the prophecies you are refering to. Did any of these prophecies provide the 5Ws.

• Who
• What
• When
• Where
• Why

 

I'm not a biblical scholar. So I can't quote off hand. But the concepts I mentioned are common knowledge in traditional Christianity. They are in parts in the old and new testament. One place talks of the coming and rejection of the Messiah. And elsewhere it speaks of Israel's dissolution, scattering, and restoration. What is self evident is biblical testimony that Israel rejected the Messiah according to his Apostles. Likewise is the historical evidence that the nation of Israel ceased, was scattered abroad after Jesus crucifixion, and then was restored as a nation in 1948 after about two thousand years. https://www.icej.org/understand-isr...iah 24:6-7 states,Me with their whole heart.”

 

Throw a lot of [prophicies] at the wall and some will stick. How do you explain the many failed Bible prophecies such as Nebuchadnezzar destroying Egypt? Of course the 1948 estasblishment of Israel was due to the actions of humans based on claims of their religion and not any supernatural acts.

 

Of course it was human action, as were the words of prophets who were human. Can you squeeze the Ottoman Empire into the conspiracy of man to fulfill a vain, slap-dash prophecy? Had they not attacked and attempted to conquer Europe in WW2, they would not have lost and been driven back to Turkey, ceding their former empire (which they held for five hundred years) to the Allies in WW1. This is what allowed the Allies after WW2 to give the Jews their ancient homeland which was formerly part of the Ottoman Empire. Do you think the Turks only pretended to lose the war, so that nationless Jews could have a homeland thirty years later, following another world war? That's some pretty clever maneuvering.

 

It should read WW1.

 

So were the prophets repeating what they were told by a supernatural God, putting a their spin on it? Or did they just make it up? Why doesn't God appear and deliver a message directly without a middle man?

"Attacked and attempted to conquer Europe"? I think one of us has a flawed understanding of history. I thought the Ottomon empire attacked Russian as their entree into WWI per the link below rather, rather than attacking Europe. Then fought military actions in the Balkins and Middle East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_raid

 

I thought you wanted empirical evidence for the God of the Jews. I said his prophets prophesied the coming of the Messiah, his rejection by the Jews, their dissolution, their scattering abroad, and their restoration in the latter days. This has all come to pass. Israel has become a nation again for the first time in over two thousand years.

 

Biden won the election because the media said so. Trump won the election because the media said so. Both are equally legitimate candidates of truth, though we know clearly that one of the two must be a lie.
You can choose one to believe as long as both equally follow the legitimate methodology of how a truth shall convey among humans.

By the same token, God is a candidate of truth simply because Christianity/Judaism follow the correct "methodology of conveying a truth among humans". Humans' problem on the other hand, is that they failed to reckon such a legitimate methodology. That's why they are doomed to be fooled by the much more intelligent angelic beings. Humans employ this methodology to convey every single piece of truth (including the cases of Trump and Biden) on a daily basis withtout their own awareness. They deserve to be fooled by the fallen angels.

 

God doesn't live because of the Bibles existence. The Bible exists because God lives. It is a record of his relationship with his people. Actually it is a compilation of four thousand years of Jewish scriptures. The Bible didn't even exist during that time.