This is utterly hilarious. Using God to keep teachers at or below the poverty level?? As Bugs Bunny would say, what an ultra maroon. 　 　 http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2012/02/02/alabama-state-senator-says-low-teacher-pay-is-a-bibilical-principle/ 　 　 Maybe God has a point that should be also directed at other public servants, like politicians, eh Senator?? But why stop there if lower pay makes for a better quality of worker, maybe that should imply to lawyers, Doctors, and CEOs. Lord knows we have enough of them who are either inept, or only in it for the money they can bleed out of the system. 　
She's right...and she is wrong. She is right that higher salary would attract more people but wrong about it being a biblical principal. There are tons of fly-by-night-internet-colleges out there that will dump a degree on you for a few bucks. Those are not the "educated" people we want teaching, and with a degree from Podunk University, just how smart do you think they would be?
No I don't believe that is what the senator is saying. The insinuation is that by lowering the salary of a teacher will insure that only people who seriously want to teach will become teachers. And there may be some truth to that, but less qualified teachers will become teachers since they are not qualified to do anything else, and just fall into the teaching positions to stay off welfare. 　 　 Now look at the opposite result. 30-40 years ago doctors were much more interested in helping their fellow man and actually wanted to be doctors so they could. Now most doctors do not go into the general practitioner field because more money is to be made as a specialist. Another interesting trend is there are actually people becoming doctors so they can become advisors and consultants in the medical industry, where they can actually make 2-3 times more than a doctor can make by not practicing medicine at all. 　 Maybe they should use that logic and stop paying so many doctors so much so they will stop being doctors, so we will not have more doctors that actually care about the patients and we won’t have a doctors shortage in the coming decades since being a doctor is a monopolized field limited by the AMA.
I don't think all conservatives agree with this notion. However, they do all want to strip collective bargaining rights from the teacher's union. Which in essence, removes the requirement for teachers to have an education degree. Which in itself, puts people who have no business teaching in the classroom, in the classroom. Additionally, it puts the certified teachers out on the street, near poverty level. So, I actually take back my initial comment. Conservatives want teachers at or near poverty levels.
Let's see. According to this person it's the union being able to extort the taxpayers that insures teachers have teaching degrees. I'm not sure how he comes to the conclusion that not allowing the extortion to continue will remove the requirement for teachers to have a teaching degree. But, logic need not apply. Nobody, including conservatives, want teachers to be near poverty levels and they don't even want teachers teaching full time. Will the whining never end?
The GOP senator (most likely not a conservative) does Patrick. Pay them so little that only the true teachers who are destined by God to teach will be teaching, and there will be no incentive to teach otherwise. Not anything based on pay or benefits anyway. Pretty much cut and dry.
Disgusting... However.... I checked twice....nowhere in this thread; http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...s-taxes-because-he-good-christian-speech.html or in this thread; http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/230270-obama-jesus-freak-religious-whacko.html did I see you condemning Obama for doing the exact same thing to justify Big Fed confiscating more from the private sector. Perhaps an oversight... perhaps not. Given your ideological bent, I suspect the latter.
Higher salaries attract the best and the brightest, or at least that what the Repub windbags were crying when there was an uproar over bank and investment house execs getting huge bonuses after TARP. How sad is it that they think the people who devote their life to help our children's future don't deserve the same consideration.
Teachers aren't being paid poverty wages. Their starting salary isn't way to high, but after being there for a few years, most teachers pay is in the forty to fifty thousand mark. Plus teachers have good benefits. When you consider there is about a three month vacation period there, that's good money.
The so-called certified public teachers are doing such a bad job of teaching the children that people who are not lib teachers union members could hardly do any worse.
The three month vacation is a myth in most cases. My daughters current teacher for example teaches summer school and goes to classes and seminars which are all on a volunteer basis to improve herself in the classroom. Their workday as well does not end at 3:30 everyday like so many people like to attest.
Actually, the requirements for teachers to have an education degree is a state requirement (and a requirement for school accreditation agencies), and has nothing to do with the union. I don't understand how taking away collective bargaining rights for teacher's unions would make states change their certification requirements. That's a major non sequitur.
Teachers aren't being paid in the summer. They get paid for about 10 months of work (usually 190 days or 38 school business weeks in their contracts). That is usually (but not always) distributed to them over 12 months. (proof of this is that a teacher who begins working halfway through the year doesn't get full pay in the summer, they haven't worked for it). Most teachers get about 2 1/2 months in the summer. My kids system the teachers began work on August 14, and will end the school year on June 5. That is just under 10 months of work. Teacher benefits are getting worse and worse. When I started teaching in 1992, the healthcare benefits I had were excellent. My wife's healthcare benefits are horrible. So bad, that we use the private company I work for instead. That said, a teacher's salary is about right for their 5/6 year work schedule, and comparable for their level of education. The thing is, they aren't being paid for 1/6 of the year, which does make a difference.
I wouldn't trust a teacher who wasn't a member of the union. They lack common sense. I was a union member the 8 yrs I taught. Why? Liability insurance. At that time, the teacher's union provided $1 million in liability insurance for about $400 in dues, which if you are a science teacher is invaluable. The problem is that we allow teenaged rebellion. Our elementary schools are up there with the rest of the developed world. It's our middle/high schools that slip, and IMHO, that's due to this myth we have that teens shouldn't be expected to do much intellectually.
We didn't have that problem when I went to school. They had discipline with kids as young as first graders. When they got up to the higher grades, they were already taught not to act up in school. Bring back discipline and you do away with most kids acting up. Another thing Liberals messed up on, taking discipline away from teachers and parents.
You must be old. Teen rebellion has been a standard of American culture for quite a while. Students need to be taught discipline at home. Discipline cannot be imposed, it has to be internal.
If that is even remotely logical, it makes me REALLY comfortable trusting any doctor I go to or any banker I invest my money with. I mean, they already DO get paid 5-6 times more than any teacher, so who the hell is infesting those job markets?
Explain how limiting Collective Bargaining changes State mandates on minimum qualifications to hold a teaching position? Ah. This is like the flawless logic in this commercial: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udQSHWpL88"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udQSHWpL88[/ame] "Support Collective Bargaining - or teachers will end up in a roadside ditch."
　 Too many who don't see a patient but do see a paycheck. The more they get paid the more there are who really just don't care, and the faster they get you in and out the faster they get the next one in they will get some money out of today. Most doctors are not even taught or dutifully sworn to cure their patients. Just treat symptoms, peddle the most expensive/profitable pharmaceutical drugs approved by government mandate, and charge as much as you can get out of the monopolized system they and the government have created doing it.
Granny says, "Dat's what happens when parents send dey's kids off to school to be raised instead o' raisin'`em deyselves... Record 209,800 Teachers Physically Attacked by Students During 2011-12 June 10, 2014 -- A record 209,800 U.S. teachers reported being physically attacked by their students during the 2011-2012 school year, according to the U.S. Department of Educations National Center for Education Statistics (NCES). (See NCES survey.pdf)
I'm a conservative and that isn't what I want at all. How about growing up and at least attempting to engage in an adult level discussion, or are you not capable of anything above adolescent level blanket statements that are trivially easy to tear to shreds? What has happened to the liberals on this forum? There was a time when we had a few liberals who could actually hold their own here. We seem to be left with little kids incapable of anything more than just silly talk.
Huh? Certification (licensure) is a government thing unrelated to the unions. The unions don't care if the next teacher to join the union has an education degree or not. Also, honestly, for the most part, the best secondary school teachers I've known don't have an education degree, they have enough classwork to get an education certificate, but they have a degree in their subject area. Good certified teachers will always have a job. Teachers today are nowhere near poverty level. They are solidly middle class. The median high school teacher salary in 2012 was $55k a year. Poverty level for a family of four in 2012 was $23,000 a year. Nobody wants to hire a teacher at $23k a year.
