That's a good one also, but we have this as well. Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”
As a member of the LDS Church, I come at the Bible from a bias position, in that I am reconciled to the reality and faultless nature of God. So anything that appears to contradict itself scripturally, I chalk it up to my own ignorance, misunderstanding, or perhaps an error in the scriptural translation itself. As for Noah, I don't see Gods promise to never flood the earth again as his being changeable. Especially when elsewhere he said that the next time he cleanses the earth, it will be with fire. Interestingly these two events correspond to baptism with water, and purifying with the fire of the holy ghost, which, following faith and repentance, are the prerequisites to individual salvation. So while I know very little of Gods purpose, I am confident that he knows exactly what he is doing at all times. This gives me comfort.
I doubt an omnipotent, omnipresent god would agree to actually, physically, 100% of the time stay in the box and not see or affect those things outside the box. Surely we would need to give some latitude on stories such as these.
I had not been endorsing the story, if that had been your impression. Dairyair had said that the Holy Spirit was a Christian invention, so I had been pointing out that a kind of precedent for the idea, already existed, in Hebrew thought and Scripture.
In my view there are various interpretations of statements that refer to the "spirit of god". One can talk about acts in the "spirit of Gandhi", too. Overall, there has long been plenty of room for debate within the Abrahamic faiths concerning the issues of the trinity.
Object oriented programming systems were more like Revelations, I suspect - though possibly lamentable.
I just think that if it were actually the work of an inspired being then it might actually resemble the earth in some way, in my opinion, the term holy spirit is too vague to truly be meaningful. “God’s spirit”, “Holy Spirit” etc are not names or even titles in the Old Testament although Christians have turned it into a title in the New Testament. If the Holy Spirit is a person then why doesn’t it have a name?
I have a name, but I'm also a husband, father, brother, son. If you refer to one of my attributes my name is only associated with it. The Holy Spirit is an attribute of God, and thus it's not necessary to assign it a name, like Jehovah.
Omniscient has nothing to do with predictions. By definition = ALL KNOWING. And the vast vast majority believe in a God that is ... The three “omni” attributes of God characterize him as all-powerful, all-knowing, and everywhere present. Each of these involves the other two, and each provides a perspective on the all-embracing lordship of the true God. But I often say, all people will adjust God, to fit their personal opinions and beliefs. It's how they justify how they can live with a good conscience and still believe in a diety.
And yet it is considered to be a person. Do you consider your title as husband to be a separate but co-equal part of you?
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/psalms/51-11.htm You can choose the words at the website to see all the other usages of them in the Bible “qadseka weruah” is pretty fairly translated as “holy spirit” but not as a title or a name. Weruah could also be translated as wind or breath. The thing to consider is that Christian authors of the New Testament took ideas from the Hebrew Scriptures and built on them.
That's what I gathered. It was not a name of another entity. The holy spirit as an entity didn't exist until the trinity was created. A bit of trinity history. ... The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. Initially, both the requirements of monotheism inherited from the Hebrew Scriptures and the implications of the need to interpret the biblical teaching to Greco-Roman religions seemed to demand that the divine in Christ as the Word, or Logos, be interpreted as subordinate to the Supreme Being. ... The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since. It is accepted in all of the historic confessions of Christianity, even though the impact of the Enlightenment decreased its importance in some traditions. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Trinity-Christianity
Agreed. Also. Its acceptance into doctrine was done at the point of a sword. Constantine made it illegal to believe anything else, put anyone who professed the belief to the sword and burned any books that professed any different beliefs. Did god use a Roman Emperor to slay everyone who disagreed with him? Is that the Holy Spirit?
No, I consider my title to only be another way of referring to who or what I am. I would also be inclined to call the title God to be an attribute of what is known by several names, Jehovah being the primary one. Jehovah is a god (an attribute), which is capitalized because of the reverance directed towards him as the one and only god.
That’s great, but that’s not what the false god “Trinity” is. Philippians 2:5-11: “Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men.
Or just the opposite? Rome fell, so to speak, a mere 150 or so years after this adoption of doctrine. If one believes God impacts lives and gov'ts in the world with direct intervention. ... In his masterwork, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, historian Edward Gibbon selected 476 CE, a date most often mentioned by historians.1 That date was when Odoacer, the Germanic king of the Torcilingi, deposed Romulus Augustulus, the last Roman emperor to rule the western part of the Roman Empire. The eastern half became the Byzantine Empire, with its capital at Constantinople (modern Istanbul). But the city of Rome continued to exist. Som https://www.thoughtco.com/what-was-the-fall-of-rome-112688
That's one of the common Trinitarian verses cited. I don't believe it supports the doctrine unless you ignore all the other verses that separates the two. For instance: When Jesus ascended into Heaven he sat down at the right hand of God's throne. That's not equality in position. The equality of Philippians is one of purpose. Jesus was on the same page with God as to what his (Jesus) purpose was. To redeem mankind.
I agree. It's not my religious belief and they get to think what they want, of course. However, the arguments for the "holy spirit" being a separate entity seem incredibly weak to me. And, they certainly are not shared by the whole of the Abrahamic faiths. Islam points to the many Biblical citations that state the oneness of god. They revere Jesus as the second highest prophet and the only prophet to have performed miracles through the power of god. Judaism sees the spirit of god as referring to the power emanating from god, or something like that.
Psalms 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.” “Thy Presence” Hebrew words are… panim or paneh: face, faces Phonetic Spelling: (paw-neem') Part of Speech: Noun Masculine Meaning: the face, as a “Thy Holy” Hebrew word is… qodesh: apartness, sacredness Phonetic Spelling: (ko'-desh) Part of Speech: Noun Masculine Meaning: a sacred place, thing, sanctity “Spirit” Hebrew word is… ruach: breath, wind, spirit Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh) Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Meaning: wind, breath, exhalation, life, anger, unsubstantiality, a region of the sky, spirit Source: Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance
