God's version of CERN

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  1. Robert Urbanek

    Robert Urbanek Active Member

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    One objection to the existence of God and, more specifically, a God who meddles in human history, is the immense size of the universe.

    Astronomer and science popularizer Carl Sagan observed, "There are in fact 100 billion galaxies, each of which contain(s) something like a 100 billion stars. Think of how many stars, and planets, and kinds of life there may be in this vast and awesome universe."

    The idea that our lone planet would be the center of divine attention in the vast cosmos seems ridiculous. But maybe not. If we want to understand how God plays God, we might get a hint from how man plays God.

    Scientists at the CERN complex at the Swiss-Franco border “play God” when they try to recreate, in miniature, elements of the Big Bang that started our universe.

    Scientists and engineers created giant machines and a tunnel 17 miles in circumference for the purpose of studying subatomic particles. If they would construct something so humongous just to examine something so incredibly tiny, it is conceivable that God would create a giant universe just for the purpose of focusing on our speck of human life on Earth. The universe is God’s version of CERN.

    Admittedly, the universe is exponentially (by several magnitudes) larger than CERN, but that is why we have the word exponentially: to allow us to think big. And, if we think big enough, perhaps we can start thinking like God.
     
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    Imnotreallyhere Well-Known Member Donor

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    What part of 'omniscient' do you not understand? God would have a whole set of capabilities beyond our ability to fathom.
     
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    I am willing to consider a God who is not omniscient. For example, Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrom suggests we may be living in a simulated environment, a computer game of sorts, created by an advanced being. That “God” could be one of our future selves and our reality is merely a game that reproduces a historic era that was more interesting than the future, more perfect and boring world.

    “Supreme Being” could be a relative term. We know, for example, that Diana Ross was more Supreme than the other Supremes.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    an all knowing God would already know, so no need to learn from experiments

    no need to drown every life-form but a boat load when a God fails, cause they would never fail
     
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    Another answer to this objection is that perhaps we humans aren't Gods only children. Perhaps his children are on trillion of planets in existence. There is nothing in the bible that says we are the only ones.

    Or another one is he is hoping that we will in the future gain the capability to explore the rest of the universe and actually start using the planets around us. Currently it seems impossible but who knows what we will accomplish with a few million years of technological advancement.
     
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    I actually agree that the size of the universe argument isn't a very good one, but this analogy also doesn't work very well.

    Imagine for a moment that I went to CERN with two proposals:
    1) I had discovered a way to do all of their research with equipment half the size and accomplished exactly the same thing.
    2) I had design a version of their equipment that was twice as big and accomplished exactly the same thing.

    Which would they want to pursue? They wouldn't ever consider #2 even if I hadn't proposed #1. If I could really deliver on #1, however, they would pounce on the opportunity. CERN uses big machines to do their research because the HAVE to in order to conduct their research. The same doesn't hold true for God, unless you are proposing some sort of non-omnipotent God that HAD to create a universe this big in order to create us.

    Like I said, though, I don't think the size of the universe is an argument against God either. We like to conserve on space when we build things because we are limited. More space uses up more of our resources. God wouldn't have limited resources. Whether he created a big or a small universe to house us would be a completely arbitrary decision. The analogies here trying to use this as an argument against God make the false assumption that such a creation would be somehow wasteful -- a waste of God's time or mental resources . . . which would both be infinite and therefore incapable of being wasted.
     
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    Have you forgotten that on Judgment Day all of the saved souls will move into a 1,500 mile sided golden cube called New Jerusalem on a waterless planet with the God character forever? That doesn't seem like it includes other creatures on billions of other planets.
     
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    There is no indication that Judgement Day involves other planets. Your point?
     

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