GoFundMe launched for Donald Trump’s ‘unjust’ $350m fine in civil fraud case

Wouldn’t impact any of the charges, you can’t steal declassified docs either, also, he’s made no claim of that in court. Probably because it doesn’t matter.

 

When and how did Trump get documents from a designated secure area after he left the WH?

 

Steal?

 

What would you call taking something that isn’t yours, then refusing to return and lying and saying you already gave them back?

 

Really ? You mean the legal valuations of the properties, and what Trump said they were worth ?

You’re debating something you’re not versed in. If you go to “estimate” your current personal wealth, how would you do that ?
1. You declare your assets
2. You value those assets against liabilities.

Now tell us how you would value your assets

Its a serious question….

 

I am now where the EU. I live in USA. Not sure about you. But I don't care a whole lot about what the EU does or doesn't do. Seems rather pointless.

I don't live in Ca either. When Idaho or Montana restricts gas powered vehicles, let me know..
2030s on CA? 1 State. 10 years out for for 1 state? For something that may or may not ever happen??

Why not provide evidence how these so called "little people", whoever they are, are so bad off now or in the near future?

Where's the source of this stuff?

 

Based on previous posts of your, you don't come off as so absurdly partisan as you've been in this thread.

To do what verbally? Evidence is needed for trials. Not hearsay.
Verbally is nothing more than heresay.

 

Has the trial started?

 

Yes.
So Biden or any other former president, can order the assassination of trump, or any person, and be immune.

Maybe that's why trump said he can shoot someone in the middle of 5th ave and not lose support.
He and every president is above god. At least according to MAGA.

 

Did he do that? I thought he took classified documents with him as he left.

My question remains: do you think a former president can declassify documents after he leaves office?

 

How many times are you going to post you don't know that the case is about?
Even after being shown, over and over, it's not about classified docs or who has docs?7

It's about, again for the 1000th time, not returning documents not legally allowed to leave the WH or govt.

Ever hear anything about NARA? You've been given that name 10X in this thread alone.

 

It makes absolutely no difference at all, AFAIK.

It's about gov't documents that are not legal to leave DC or the Fed govt possession.

 

It’s a wild view of the role of a public servant

 

Classified or not declassified or non classified is not the issue.
It's about what are gov't docs vs not gov't docs. Regardless of classification.

 

It applies, only to 1 MAGA leader.
That already had failed America. During the pandemic.

 

So now it's up to the prosecutor to determine if Trump was still president when he declassified them before leaving the WH with the documents.

 

No, it's not. Because the case has absolutely NOTHING to do about the classification status of the documents he stole.

Did you even read the indictment? LOL

 

First of all, the offences with which he has been charged are not dependent upon the classification status of the documents. So even if he really did declassify them while he was president, that doesn’t get him off the hook.

But even if classification status were relevant, it would be up to the prosecution to show that the documents were classified. Which they were.

If Trump wanted to raise a defense on the basis that the documents were declassified, it would be the job of the defense to present evidence of declassification. Who declassified them. When. How. That effectively means putting trump on the stand, and that won’t happen.

 

OMG.
This has nothing at all to do with classified or declassified docs.

 

Where did you get that idea?

 

From the case.
Classified docs might be part of the case, but it's really about having gov't docs and not returning them when asked.

...
Under the Presidential Records Act, presidential records are considered federal, not private property and must be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration. Multiple federal laws govern the handling of classified and sensitive documents, including statutes making it a crime to remove such material and keep it at an unauthorized location.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-documents-investigation-timeline-087f0c9a8368bb983a16b67dd31dcd4c

 

So he could have sold us out if he wanted to. My position is not one of support for the man or his party; its based on what is best for the country. There is no way to make an honest case that the document arrest was done in the interest of national security or from a genuine concern for the rule of law.

It is election interference and only increases the division that has Americans at each others throats. This helps keep the sheep under control. Divide and conquer is not a new strategy.

 

In your second sentence you stated your position.

In your third you directly contradicted it.

Your beloved fuhrer is open and shut guilty in this case. His only real defense is to claim that he has forever immunity and is above the law. A loser in every court that has heard it.

Trump did take documents.

Some of them are classified.

Trump lied about having them.

Trump returned a few, and ordered his lawyers to lie in legal filings that he had returned them all.

Ignored repeated requests.

Ignored a subpoena.

This IS about the rule of law.

Which is why Trump’s only defense is to try and pretend he’s above it.

 

He personally supervised the loading of them into SUV’s as he was leaving the White House.

I’m quite sure that someone may have warned him that he was breaking the law.

But, then, of course, since it was after Jan 6th, maybe nobody bothered.

 

Trump's enemies keep finding new ways for him to raise money and expand his base of support.
He should be very grateful -- and he probably is.