Good News For Regulation Junkies

In good news for lovers of Federal regulation, a Federal website exists where you can see all of your favorite government-issued rules.

http://www.regulations.gov/

These rules have the force of law even though they were not passed by Congress or signed by the President. This is truly "taxation without representation." Rules of sweeping importance, affecting everyone, are issued by unknown and unelected bureaucrats, and you can be jailed for not complying. If you're in business, you may need to hire staff just to keep track of relevant regulations, and your business may need to be restructured to comply. How much does all this cost, and is it worth it?

In fact, far more is issued by the regulatory agencies than by Congress. How much, you ask? The website tells us. 147 new regulations in the last 3 days! (Remember this is only January 4.) 365 new regulations in the last 7 days, and 1,001 in the last 15 days. Wow!

But you're not being overlooked: you can enter comments on proposed regulations at the site. I'm sure your concerns will weigh heavily on regulators.

Now that you can actually see what regulators are doing, what do you feel about the process through which regulations are issued? Do you feel we have not enough/just right/too much regulation?

 

Stop being dishonest

 

And I bet none of them deal with Marijuana purity.
Will my Marijuana be pesticide free?
There are E-Joints around now where the E ignites a cartridge of extracted oil.
The purity of the extraction is the problem because no one wants to smoke solvent, that is not healthy
although intoxicating.

We have lots of room for more regulations.

Pass the green tinged sausage.
When the Slim Jims factory reopened, they advertised they were now, Juan Free.



Moi

No
Or at least regulate it.
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I blindly agree with all of them and think we should have more.

Sincerely,

The left.

 

Stop being an apologist and click the link. 147 posted to the federal registrar in the last 3 days. 5979 in the last 90. Bureacrats are the new feudal lords commanding their fiefdoms and extracting as much as they can get away with and doing whatever they want for the most part.

 

I show the official count provided by the Federal government at its website. It's right there on the home page for all to see. Are you writing honestly, or hoping no one will bother to check the website? Have you checked the website?

 

Moi, you thought you were ahead of the Feds, didn't you? You thought they couldn't be bothered to write regulations for e-cigarettes. Wrong! Here's your government at work -

http://www.regulations.gov/#!searchResults;rpp=25;po=0;s=e-cigarettes;fp=true;ns=true

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A new regulation requires us all to blindly agree with all other regulations.

 

We need a new regulation requiring all leftists learn to read. Submit comments to the appropriate Agency.

 

Let's see, there are dozens, if not hundreds of federal agencies of the United States federal government. Each federal agency deals with a specific function, and as a result, is staffed by people specializing in that function. If every agency had to have their regulations approved through the legislative process, not a damn thing would get done in the United States. That's why many agencies are given the power to define their own regulations. I'm pretty sure it's smarter to have people who know the area to be regulated.

Let's just take a small example, the USDA. Let's say that a new superbug was discovered in beef that required all beef to be cooked to an internal temperature of 145 degrees Fahrenheit in order to kill the bug. If it's not cooked to that temperature, the chances of the bug killing someone are 50%. If Congress had to set that regulation, we'd have a whole bunch of Congresspeople arguing over it for a while before they finally pass the regulation. Now, multiply that by the number of federal agencies in the United States. Do you really want the Congress who likely does not have a single civil engineer within its ranks determining the minimum blend of concrete or asphalt to use on American highways?

 

No you are not - you are taking the new entry count and assuming they are new regulations. Which is evidence you have not investigated the website yourself. Unless in your mind, a notice of a meeting, or the notice of a regulation being removed, or even a report on a meeting count as a new regulations

Unfortunately for you another member used to reference this site on a regular basis, and they also had their arses handed to them frequently for lying

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Open your mouth, it is time to change feet

 

What do you think about sunset clauses if regulations are not ratified by congress within 5 years.

Regs are why only super sized slaughterhouses exist and why contamination spread through so many people from just one cow. Plus they wade in literal BS. Our current farm system needs massive overhaul.

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Rule meetings have to be published. How many pages do you think the federal registrar is? How many have you read? Fully agree with all those laws though right? They couldn't possibly be like other laws huh?

 

Do you still want to trust a bunch of Congresspeople who you contend can't build a proper healthcare law with promulgation of regulations for things like child safety seats?

Actually, there are several small-time butcher shops in the country that fulfill a niche market. These include Kosher and Halal slaughterhouses. There are also slaughterhouses on wheels that go to the farm and slaughter the animal on the premises.

The reason larger slaughterhouses are more prevalent is due to the economies of scale. How large slaughterhouses work is that there are several workers whose sole job is to make one or two cuts as the carcasses go past on a chain drive. There is nothing in the federal regulations that prohibit a small slaughterhouse.

By the way, I live in a city whose only professional sports team is named after the meatpacking industry, and several of my friends and family work in the local meatpacking industry. It's not like I'm uninformed on these matters.

 

Nice job at attempted diversion. I have made no statement either supporting or attacking regulations. I am calling out the OP on his claim 147 new regulations have been created. Are you attempting to defend the OPs miss direction, or are you just trying to pick a fight for the hell of it?

 

They can ratify. Do you want to trust your livelihood to strangers with power over you that haven't met you and care more about their agenda then you? I work in a highly regulated field. They put people out of business with a stroke of the pen all the time.

Go ahead and tell me the laws on processing.

Processing. Yes there are regulations. Go ahead and share them with us if you think it is that easy.

How many tens of thousands of pages regulate them? How many have they read? How important are they again?

Here is the thing about regs. Everyone wants to talk about them vaguely and no leftist admits they hinder anything and every person who owns a business can name 10 dumb regulations that hurt their company.

 

They add tens of thousands of rules to the registrar every year. We may have the numbers wrong by quoting their website, but tht doesn't change the fact that there are tens of thousands of new rules each year. None of which you have read, nearly all you support. Am I right? Which have you read? I know admin law. It is a cobweb of regs and they are always changing. Pick "one rule" and you will see how it is really 9 usually. Come in man, you here to nitpick and dodge or do you want to have an honest debate? I admitted the number was wrong, can you admit tens of thousands of pages of rules will be added this year? That you won't read 1% of them?

 

Even based on their own website that is an extreme exaggeration. Extrapolating their 90 day postings only gives 20,000 posts on all subjects. So I think you need to come up with a little more than your say so that the government adds tens of thousands of new regulations each year

 

LOL, and just how are they going to debate and sign off on every single agency's regulations in under four working months in session? There's 456 agencies in the Federal Government needing regulations passed.

So, you know all 535 Congressmen? They don't have agendas either? What's to stop them from just passing another law to say that they don't have to set the regulations for agencies and that it is up the agencies themselves? You'd need a Constitutional Amendment to prohibit that practice. Good luck getting a single Congressperson to vote for that Amendment.

Congress is only going to be in session in 2014 for less than 120 days anyway. Assuming eight hour days, that's less than a thousand hours. Assuming twelve-hour days, that's less than 1,500 hours.

Where does it stop? Do you not like state agencies promulgating their own regulations?

If you don't like being regulated, get out of the field.

I don't know them. I said I knew people in the meatpacking industry, not that I was in the meat-packing industry.

It's not up to me to prove that small slaughterhouses exist. It's up to you to prove that the regulations prohibit them, since you made that assertion that it was the regulations that caused slaughterhouses to become larger. Making a claim puts the burden of proof on yourself.

Have fun trying to disprove me. All I need to do is find the episode of Modern Marvels on butchers to prove that they do exist.

I don't know, as I said, I don't work in a slaughterhouse. Yet again, another immaterial and backward way of debating. Though I do know that my friend who works in a slaughterhouse had to go through extensive training on the regulations and any deviation from them could result in immediate termination.

You can't admit that if the United States was run by people like you, nothing would ever get done in Congress because they'd be working on regulations for one of the 456 federal agencies. No budget would get passed, no other laws, it'd be regulations for the SBA, NRC, FAA, FDIC, FCC, CBO, OMB, and all the other alphabet-soup agencies.

Instead, what Congress does is they say "well, let's see, the NRC is run by people who know nuclear reactors, we think it's best that they set the regulations and then check in on them periodically.

I'm NOT saying the system is perfect, but it gets a hell of a lot more done than your half-assed idea does.

 

No one disputes that dictatorship is more efficient than democracy. Mussolini's defenders liked to say that at least he made the trains run on time. But suppose those regulations are wrong or damaging, suppose they express the interests and opinions of one group only, suppose their intent is to consolidate the hold on power of one party. You make the huge assumption that the regulations are wise and benevolent. As someone who has worked in a regulated industry, I assure you that needn't be the case. You also make the huge assumption that experts must be right. I'm an expert in two fields, yet experts often disagree. The public believes that there's one clearly right answer to every important question, but experts know how little they know. The dream that government can be a quasi-parental authority, lovingly caring for its children (us) can be no more than a dream. The tenor of your argument is a (perhaps) unintentional apology for dictatorship. "Why bother with slow and messy democracy when a few smart people can get together in a room and tell us all the right things to do?" If only it were so simple! Society comprises many competing interests and opinions. Democracy's virtue is to see that all are heard. Government by expert necessarily sweeps away most people.

 

Newly Posted includes all current regulatory activity, both new regulations and notices of new regulation being developed. It hardly makes a difference which because the fact of pending regulation freezes the target industry until the regulation is finalized. I used to visit Washington to testify before the Agency regulating my industry, and everyone involved knew and discussed the likely direction of the pending regulation. It's not true that everyone is in suspense until the regulation is publicly announced. Gathering comments is largely a formality. Regulation is affected by politics. The Agencies are supposedly non-partisan, but their Commissioners are all Administration appointees and the Agencies get their funding from the Administration. It would be naive to suppose the direction of rulings is unaffected by such things.

Your use of the word "lying" - "to present false information with the intention of deceiving" - is offensive, inaccurate, and uncalled for.

 

Is this a regulation?

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=FDA-2013-N-0001-0121

Or this

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOD-2013-OS-0238-0001

perhaps this

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=ITC-2014-0004-0001

Or maybe this

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=FERC-2014-0002-0001

No I am fairly happy with the description I used of your motives

 

Regulations are the disgusting process by which the legislature delegates its authority to the executive. Congress may have been quite inactive, but the Federal government as a whole is more active than ever.

Americans should make it their mission to break as many of these as is possible. Thugs with guns shouldn't control your life because they've written a few scribbles down on some paper.

 

Okay at a minimum 147 new regulations are in the process of creation. Are you happy now?

 

They can pass it in a omnibus bill. No problem if the regs are not controversial. Should regs have the force of law unless congress can overturn them? Why do you think a system with no accountability is preferable?

What other fields are not regulated to death? Retail and the Internet are about it these days.

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Each one with multiple rules.

 

Since you have no idea - but blindly support all of them anyway, how many pages of regs do you think they impose on us each year? Or how many feet of pages really. It is that much. 81,000 pages in 2010 alone. The number of rules in those pages? Too high to count apparently I can't find it. You agree with all of it blindly right?

 

Not gonna comment on the slaughterhouse thing(Because I am uninformed on that one ). But I believe that the main point of contention here, is that there's a medium between lax regulation and heavy regulation. That fine medium is where the U.S had been able to build a strong economic machine.

Unfortunately, we've moved away from the medium and we're now headed towards heavy regulation in response to a perceived lack of regulation. When nothing could be farther from the truth.

Philosophically, it can be said rather simply: When faced with extremes, take the middle road. America needs to get back on the middle road.