Goodbye Nuclear Power, Hello TENER

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yea when I have to reroof next it will be metal. That being said NOTHING is imperious to Cat 4 nor does it eliminate the high wind coverage premiums.
     
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    Yes, agreed. I believe I said the same thing.
     
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    Which is why we don't see lots of roof top solar panels here.
     
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    I don't know where "here" is. My reference was in terms of the entire home, not just the solar panels.
     
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    The Gulf Coast.
     
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    We get some pretty hellacious winds in Colorado. And like I said, we had the huge hailstorm last year - no problem with our pedestal-mounted solar panels. They are 2800 Watt capacity, 13-years-old, and the other day they were putting out 3100 Watts. Pedestal-mount are probably more exposed than roof-mount.

    Here's a link that talks about hurricanes.

    https://www.energysage.com/solar/solar-panels-hail-hurricanes/

    How well do solar panels withstand hail and hurricanes?

    A report from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) on 50,000 solar energy systems installed between 2009 and 2013 indicates that only 0.1% of all PV systems have been reported as affected by damaged or underperforming modules each year.
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    However, similar to hail, solar panels are typically tested by manufacturers to ensure that they can survive hurricanes. Most solar panels are certified to withstand winds of up to 2,400 pascals, equivalent to approximately 140 mile-per-hour (MPH) winds. Additionally, the typical aluminum and glass casings that hold solar cells and constitute a solar panel are highly waterproof, even during extreme rain.
     
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    Yeah cause the wind never picks up things and blows them around. You can do it but what is the cost that's that question. And do not pretend that some solar panel farms suffer 50% to total losses in such sustained high winds.

    BTW 3 huge offshore wind arms just cancelled off the New York coast due to cost and not being able to provide the necessary power.

    New York nixes 3 offshore wind projects, notes GE Vernova move to abandon 18-MW turbine

    The three cancelled projects represented 4 GW of provisionally awarded capacity.The New York State Energy Research and Development Authority announced Friday that the state won’t be going forward with the three projects it provisionally awarded in its third offshore wind solicitation due to “material modifications” to the projects, including GE Vernova’s pivot away from an 18-MW turbine model.
      • The New York State Energy Research and Development Authority announced Friday that the state won’t be going forward with the three projects it provisionally awarded in its third offshore wind solicitation due to “material modifications” to the projects, including GE Vernova’s pivot away from an 18-MW turbine model.
      • The solicitation has concluded with no final awards being made, NYSERDA said. The three projects canceled are the 1,404-MW Attentive Energy One, the 1,314-MW Community Offshore Wind and the 1,314-MW Excelsior Wind — a total of 4 GW of capacity.
      • “Going forward, we expect to center our offshore wind business around a workhorse product, the Haliade-X 15.5 MW-250,” GE Vernova said in a February SEC filing.
    https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ne...1,404-MW Attentive Energy,of 4 GW of capacity.

     
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    I've just shown that this is simply not true. If you wish to pursue the matter further you should put up some pretty darn good links - and not links where entire neighborhoods were destroyed, but links where only the solar panels were affected.

    Offshore wind farms frequently run into political opposition, from both Conservatives and Liberals. It goes with the technological territory.
     
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    My contention is not bound by such a contention. YES they can get destroyed along with the houses and that raises the insurance and replacement cost and where does the power come from until I can get them replaced does the fossile fuel plant maintain enough extra capacity to produce it until ALL those solar panels can be replace.

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    Even so, wind can still impact solar panels in several ways.
    https://strikecheck.com/webinars/wh...-see-from-storm-impacted-solar-power-systems/



    Ahhhhh..........this is economic, try reading the link.
     
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    I think that's a picture of snow dusting on the solar panels. That's what mine look like after some snow. Regarding wind, my state requires engineered designs for solar. Some people did do-it-yourself systems, and yes, they can have problems.
     
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    Which raises the cost and thus the insurance cost and so far up Cat 3 and low cat 4 and that is JUST the wind.
     

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