Governor Cuomo directive patience positive with covid-19 back into nursing homes

https://nypost.com/2020/04/26/cuomo-doubles-down-on-sending-coronavirus-patients-to-nursing-homes/

How many people do you how many people do you think this needlessly killed?

I just do not understand why he didn't just send these nursing home, covid-19 positive patients, to either the USS comfort or to one of those hospitals that the government had set up for him. Why on Earth would he send patience positive with covid-19 do nursing homes??? At the time, we knew those people where in the highest risk category.

I don't understand it. I think it was probably the most ignorant and destructive thing that any politician has done, is what Governor Cuomo did, sending those patients positive covid-19 into the nursing homes and assisted living.

I heard one of those press conferences with Governor Cuomo where he said the hospital ship comfort couldn't take nursing home patients because there wasn't a protocol for it. To me that's a lame way for him to try and excused himself from any culpability. All he had to do talk to the president of the United States and say "President Trump, can you authorize sending patients from nursing homes positive with covid-19 to the hospital ship."

And you know he didn't even have to send them do the hospital ship, we already had hospitals built by the federal government, Cuomo could have sent them there. And his other lame way of trying to escape any blame was the claim that the nursing homes were just greedy, that was obnoxious that was repulsive it was disgusting of him to say

One other thing I might add, making the default position of Governor Cuomo's directive, that nursing homes must accept patience positively covid-19, unless they go through the bureaucratic State red tape and try to exclude themselves from receiving positive patients.

The default position should have been the patient's positive with covid-19 shall not be sent to nursing homes unless the nursing home make the special request to the to receive a positive covid-19 patient

And how stupid was this this! It's s like ordering a shelter-in-place command to your citizens, and oh by the way we're going to stick a patient in your home positive with covid-19, while you're Sheltering in place. Then Cuomo looks all kind of shocked when the people in that house all become infected with covid-19

 

It's good that the rate is slowing for all involved, but a good way to put context on all of this is, that we just found out about this stupidity a week ago. Given NY's incredible growth rate up till this recent point, can we state the captain obvious that in fact, this policy was probably in place weeks before we knew it. Cuomo actually does directly have blood on his hands. Both he and De Blasio shouldn't be re-elected but.....it's NY.

(Which is to say, I don't trust the voters of New York at all. Even remotely, not even a little. It's quickly becoming the new California.)

 

IME working with govt agencies, 'there's no protocol for it' translates to 'we don't know who to charge the extra cost to, so we didn't do it.'

 

The thing is while other state governors we're instituting protocol and procedures and rules to make nursing homes free from disease and sanitizing them, to protect the most vulnerable, the governor of New York is doing the exact opposite. Populating nursing homes with people who either had covid-19 or possibly had covid-19. You really have to wonder where was the New York city mayor during all of this he's just as culpable he sat on his hands and did nothing

 

The nursing homes are getting state and federal dollars for those patients. If they don't want them, the state will place them. This is better for the patient and cuts off the money spout for the nursing homes who can't handle sick patients.

 

That sounds good on paper, but I have heard from the people running these nursing homes, and they said that the state was not responding to their pleas to not send infected patients into their facilities. They would email and call the state agencies but the emails were not returned, and no one answered the phone. Which begs the question, were state employees working from home, which is why they were unable to answer phone calls or access emails?

New York state had gone in the opposite direction of other states. Instead of doing all they could to prevent the infection from entering nursing homes, NY State's default policy was to send infected patients into nursing homes, and forcing the nursing homes to go thru the red tape of a dysfunctional bureaucracy, to halt infected patients from being admitted.

It's the complete opposite of any fail-safe protocol, because when the system fails, as is it did in NY, you get an infected COVID-19 patients thrown into a crowded assisted living complex, and dozens of your residents die.

The state's default policy should have been, that no infected, or suspected COVID-19 patients would be sent to nursing homes, unless the nursing home went thru all the red tape and made a request to that the infected patient be admitted.

 

So you have no link and are just going on the word of "some people"?

These are people who lived at a nursing home, were treated at a hospital, and now are well enough to go back. We can't just keep them in a hospital bed because the nursing home is incapable.

 

So you're advocating sending covid patients back to seed nursing homes, when they don't even allow visitors? The USS Comfort was sitting practically empty, as was another location set up for this purpose. I predict there will be lawsuits from the families of victims of this idiocy.

Remember also Cuomo insisted he needed 40,000 ventilators, Trump disagreed and was called the usual garbage - ignorant, doesn't care about people, etc. At NY's peak weeks ago they only needed 6,000.

Cuomo also was telling us other states would be like NY in a few weeks - not even close.

 

Cuomo wants people to die, because more dead people means a better chance for Biden in November.

 

Good nursing homes can handle a covid patient. Bad ones cannot and should have the resident placed somewhere else.

The USS Comfort was never going to take on a nursing home resident. It wasn't really equipped for that and it wouldn't be good for the resident either.

The state does have facilities to place these residents but the nursing homes don't want to give up the money.

 

Here is a doctor calling into a talk show, and the YouTube is the same doctor answering question on local TV. I have to assume she was being forthright on the talk show, about the problems she was seeing, which took place a few days after her TV appearance



Caller Elaine From March 26

 

So it's okay if a assisted living home where great grand dad lives, dies? Not all nursing homes are equipped for acute care patients. Many just take the infirmed or those suffering from dementia, or simply those who need in-house nursing care that require an RN. Most assisted living and nursing homes are casual, with residents living in spaces akin to dorms, with common areas, they do not have ICUs and ventilation systems designed to contain infectious airborne diseases.

I can't believe your callous attitude.

 

Better to approve of the elderly dying that criticize a Democrat, according to the LW.

 

Facilities like the USS Comfort and New York’s Javits Center field hospital, were put into place in NY specifically to control treatment and control over the spread of COVID-19. And yet Cuomo ignored these places and send the elderly with COVID-19 into nursing homes, expecting those nursing homes to jump thru bureaucratic hurdles and red tape, to try and prevent these infected patients. It's just the most dangerously ignorant and idiotic thing anyone has done, concerning COVID-19.

 

We aren't talking about assisted living centers. Try to stay on topic.

 

If he were trying to kill people he couldn't have found a better plan.

 

A distinction without a difference, both are places where older Americans live, and were COVID patients shouldn't be intentionally sent. Many such facilities have a range of situations, including assisted living.

 

The ship and javits were for inpatient services, not to become a nursing home. I don't think you really understand what nursing homes are capable of.

 

The ship and Javits were for COVID patients, why didn't Cuomo send them there? AFTER the elderly COVID patients were fully recovered is when they should have been sent back to the nursing homes.

 

There is a HUGE difference. Nursing homes in NY have requirements that are identical to a nursing unit in a hospital.

 

The ship and javits were intended for overflow of non cover patients but eventually did take covid patients at Cuomo's request. Clearly you and other posters are poorly informed and are confusing nursing homes with assisted living facilities.

 

I'll listen to people who know what they are talking about, like Dr. Elaine Healy, who is the vice president of medical affairs and medical director for nursing home facilities in New Rochelle, who says placing these COVID-19 patients into their facilities will destabilize them and put their residents at great risk.

 

And the LW accuses Trump of not listening to the experts, crazy.....

 

Nationally about 40% of the deaths are nursing homes, NY with this bloody policy may be much higher. Trump routinely has the Medical Experts in his briefings, Cuomo, not so much. And look at how many he killed with that order that FORCED nursing homes to accept COVID infected patients when they had neither the means, the equipment or the skills to do so.

Ted Kennedy killed one woman and was barred from the presidency. Cuomo probably has 13k dead grandmothers from nursing homes. With 250,000 active cases, and a death rate of 27% he'll likely lose another 17,000.

Tearful Nurse Blows Whistle on New York Hospitals ‘Murdering’ COVID Patients With ‘Complete Medical Mismanagement’​

A Nevada nurse who traveled to New York to help treat COVID-19 patients posted a tearful Facebook Live video lamenting that patients are not dying from the virus, but are being “murdered” by “gross negligence and complete medical mismanagement.”

Sirotek gave several specific examples of patients who have died from medical negligence, including a resident nurse killing a patient by using a defibrillator on him when he had a pulse and it wasn’t necessary. When she ran out of the room to get help stopping him from doing it, the director of nursing just shook their head at her. The patient ultimately died, but not from COVID.

In another example, a patient was given the wrong type of insulin. Even more alarmingly, she said that the hospital was refusing to give blood transfusions to patients who are low on blood unless they have internal bleeding. Without proper blood flow, she explained, the ventilators will not do anything to help them — and she said that this is a common problem for patients with the virus.

“Nobody is listening. They don’t care what is happening to these people. They don’t. I’m literally coming here every day and watching them kill them,” she said.

 

And they just blame all those deaths on Trump and COVID-19.

Whichever New York hospital that is, it sounds like one with an extremely high death rate, isn't there any agency which monitors this stuff?