Govt workers have right to refuse gay marriage licenses -pope

Separation of Church and State ... One of the fundamental principles of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

A happy thing

 

Well, she could have just refused to issue marriage licences to gay couples. She did not do that which would have blatantly been discriminatory. Whether she went the route she did in order to avoid a lawsuit or to avoid being perceived as a racist, I do not know as I can not read her mind. I do, however, understand her religious convictions and she has a right to them, though I do not agree with her actions. I am all for her having and holding dear her religious convictions. However, I feel she is wrong to not fulfill her duties and responsibilities because of them. I'm not saying she needed to violate those convictions, just that she should have resigned based on her own moral grounds.

 

Which can be changed. No law is unchangeable.

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Why wasn't the separation of church and state enforced when the Catholic High Priest spoke to Congress and met with the President?

 

There is nothing about separation of church and state barring Congress or the President from engaging in dialogue.

Separation of Church and State is to prevent Congress from making laws on the basis of religious belief thus forcing religious belief on the citizens.

 

""guess issuing them was never a issue to her, only forcing her religious beliefs on others was important""

'IT' in a nut shell.

 

So the separation of church and state doesn't apply to religious leaders addressing congress. Okay. Murder is against God's law in the 10 Commandments. When is that going to be made legal?

 

She never forced her religious beliefs on anyone. A law was passed that pushed other beliefs on her.

 

You don't understand the situation very well.
She could have had others do the task she was against. She also halted that.

 

Oh, I understand the situation very well, I've followed this from day one. When did she begin pushing her religious beliefs on anyone?

 

Now Conservatives and Fox News like the Pope again!!!

 

So mandating others not to issue a license because of her new found beliefs is not pushing her beliefs on others. Interesting take you have. She may have had a rational argument if she simply said she would not issue them but would not stop others from doing so - instead she went full on dictator.

 

She doesn't have any "new found beliefs". She believed marriage is a male and female before the USSC decision.

 

If you don't know that answer, then there is nothing to discuss. You are not informed at all. You have a backwards thinking bias.

 

Whatever. LOL. Your spin didn't work.

 

Per christian books, bible, only 1 marriage is allowed. Unless a very tiny set of circumstances occur, then one can get divorced and remarried. She's lost any say in the matter. 4 marriages.

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Yep. You are misinformed, by choice or ignorance. Hard to tell.

 

One does not need a Bible to figure out that Murder is wrong. That the Bible adopted moral codes based in part on pre-existing moral code such as the law code of Hammurabi is no reason to get rid of those codes.

The laws of the US are based on secular justification. See Classical Liberalism/ Social Contract/ Legitimacy of Authority for more info.

The ideas of Classical liberalism (not to be confused with the modern usage of the term liberal) are what inspired the Declaration and Constitution.

The enlightenment thinkers came up with a method of legitimizing Authority (the government) that was not contingent on "Divine Right" or bloodline as was the case in the past. The authority came instead from "we the people".

Individual rights and freedoms were put "ABOVE" the legitimate authority of the Government so as to limit Gov't power.

The "Social Contract" - the agreement from "we the people" that grants the Govt its power is based on the Golden Rule "Do unto others as you would have them do to you"

Restated: If you do not want folks killing you then you have a moral obligation not to kill others. Or If you do not want others forcing their religious beliefs on you then you have an obligation not to force yours (by making law) on others.

Simply put - your rights end where the nose of your neighbor begins.

 

The Pope is only infallible on religious matters as you just proved

 

Until such time as our anti-discrimination laws are changed, government employees are required to perform their jobs. Unfortunately the Pope is wrong on this one.

 

She declared it wouldn't happen in her office, and refused to do her sworn duty, based on her religious dogma. As the sinner she is she should have never signed the licenses she signed in her own marriages if she was consistent.

In fact to keep from being hypocritical she should lock herself in a room by herself to keep her from associating with any sinners, so it doesn't fall back on her, when she meets her maker. Her logic not mine.

The woman is a loon, she should not only be impeached, removed from her position but ordered to return the wages she took under false pretense.

 

Wasn't the 10 Commandments given before the law of Hammurabi?

 

It doesn't matter what her belief is, she is sworn to uphold and follow the laws of the constitution of the state and the country. Once the unconstitutional restrictions were removed from the law, it was her duty to do her duty according to the law.

A cop doesn't have to not believe a wife was justified in the killing of her husband, as an officer of the law their duty is to investigate crimes, detain suspected criminals, and allow the courts to determine guilt or innocence.

 

do you want to change the definition to exclude a certain group of people?

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Do you believe the 10 commandments really were given to Moses on a tablet or do you think they were written by men and passed down as from god?

 

Yes, it does matter what her belief is. First amendment.

 

I believe the Living God spoke to man through prophets. I believe the Scriptures are the Word of the Living God. Jesus Christ. Jehovah.