Now you're just trolling...and on your own thread, too, after you criticized "liberals" in post #12 for resorting to personal attacks. That's pretty pathetic that you'd rather try to belittle a person out of your thread rather than make logical claims to address other people's questions. To Joker: Youre supposed to state your views with your own facts.[/quote] I've offered several facts to support my views. Facts I've presented on this thread: a. Cigarette smokers do not generally grow their own tobacco in spite of high prices for cigarettes. b. Marijuana users are already paying extremely high prices for marijuana. c. Prices for alcohol decreased after prohibition rather than increased. d. Many marijuana smokers drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes. All of these facts contradict your opinions, and you have offered no evidence to debunk any of them. You seriously think asking someone to support his or her opinion with some facts is a loaded question? Really? Come on. That's the biggest cop out I ever heard on this forum. You act like your reputation is at risk from falling for some some gotcha question on an anonymous political discussion website.
Quote Flanders I write for people I consider astute enough not to need everything spelled out for them. Obviously, those who never got past Dick and Jane Books do not have the reading comprehension skills to qualify. Over the years See Spot Run had to be explained to some of my opposites. To Joker: Your collectivist mindset is showing, or your reading comprehension skills are deteriorating, or youre trying to pull a fast one. Personal attacks are much different than general comments about a group.
I see you don't even try to contest the fact that your on even discussing anything...just trolling. Have fun blogging yourself.
Go to this link for a humorous article and a video: http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/07/05/070511-news-pot-critic-1-2/
to both of those...its a lot of work to brew your own beer. Its a hell of a lot easier to buy it and if you like what sells the most in the US its a hell of a lot cheaper to buy it as well...in terms of time and money! I brew my own beer so I got that going for me, which is nice! Brewing is a process and a half compared with growing a plant! Start with a good seed. Get some good soil, which is relatively easy ya know. Plant and water. Nature does the rest. In brewing there are many steps and the slightest misstep in certain places can make the whole batch unfit to drink and you wont know it till you have many hours invested. Granted, Mother Nature does all the good work but there is a lot of effort in setting up but there is a lot of work that goes into setting up the office for her! Upside I suppose is you could use that bad batch to feed your lawn or personal use plants of whatever variety they might be its excellent for that purpose and a good use for anything that says Miller, Bud or Coors on the label J Disclaimer I support the legalization of this 100% to the 100th power! I have never smoked pot and never will. Even if made legal its unlikely I would consume it in any other of the various ways. I just dont see anything wrong with anyone else doing so!
You might have a point id prices didn't drop significantly, but if that were the case, smokers would be well within their right to grow it themselves. If prices dropped even to the level of tobacco, many smokers wouldn't consider it worthwhile to grow it themselves.
So like if Uncle Ferd goes down to the local dry cleanery... ... an' gets a jobs wringin' farts outta shirt-tails... ... an' dey pay him under the table... ... do dat means he's a grasshopper?
Growing tobacco for private use is illegal in many states. Possession of tobacco plants or even tobacco seeds without a commercial license can be a felony.
That's not the point. I mean pot smokers would be jumping for joy if marijuana were the same price as tobacco. They wouldn't be thnking, "(*)(*)(*)(*) this weed ain't no cheaper than tobacco; I'm growing my own." They more likely think, "(*)(*)(*)(*), this weed is 10 times cheaper than what I used to pay; why bother growing it when I can just buy more so easily?"
Marijuana growing for personal use is already like home beer and wine making, more of a hobby than anything else. Not many do it strictly to save money, the time, dedication, expense, and especially the risk if you get caught are significant inhibitors. It is likely that home brew and wine making supply stores will add marijuana growing supplies to their business when it is made legal and some more people will pick it up as a hobby but the number of people who buy marijuana will not likely to change very much.
This has to be good news for grasshoppers: Petition to legalize pot is first to hit White House threshold; ET proposal close By Brendan Sasso - 09/22/11 06:33 PM ET http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-v...line-petition-to-require-white-house-response
The Pot War is heating up. I still say grasshoppers need a song to turn it around. Puff the Magic Dragon doesnt cut it: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wik2uc69WbU&feature=player_detailpage"]Peter Paul & Mary - Puff the Magic Dragon - YouTube[/ame] when compared to drinking songs: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcKdnkGBSgA&feature=player_detailpage"]LA TRAVIATA - Drinking Song - YouTube[/ame] And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OI3Bcgh4Jko And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ug8p5pVsj9U Is Pot Going to Pot? By Peter Hannaford on 10.24.11 @ 6:07AM Once again, California leads the way. Last week was a bad week for marijuana lovers in California. It ended with a large raid in one county that netted 850 pounds of dried marijuana, 400 growing plants, $200,000, a cache of firearms and the arrest of two Czechs, three Thais, a Bulgarian, a Ukrainian, and a German. The week began with city councils and county boards of supervisors pondering the stiff letters they had just received from U.S. Attorneys' offices around the state. The letters put local officials on notice that marijuana remains a prohibited drug under federal law and therefore those officials could be held liable if they were to allow medical marijuana dispensaries within their borders. Many cities in the state have been wrestling for several years over ordinances to govern such dispensaries. When medical evidence showed that the use of marijuana by terminally ill patients could ease their pain, pro-legalization forces got enough signatures to put an initiative on the 1996 ballot to allow the use of it for medical purposes if recommended by a physician. Most voters took it at face value and, after a campaign generously funded by the well-known currency leftist George Soros, passed the measure. Passage raised new questions. Would patients need a prescription from their physician? Where would they get the marijuana? Physicians could not write prescriptions for it because that would violate federal law. Instead, they wrote letters of recommendation. As for sources, presumably a patient could grow a small amount, but that was impractical. Thus, dispensaries began to pop up all over the state (Los Angeles had several hundred within a few years). While some of these operated carefully within the framework of the new state law, labeling each patient's "grow" with his or her name, it was widely believed that others were obtaining it in large quantities and selling with a wink and a nod -- becoming marijuana retailers for regular users who had obtained "recommendations" from doctors sympathetic with the legalization movement. As the years rolled on, law enforcement agencies tended to ignore people who had very small amounts of marijuana for their own use, but the dispensaries were another matter. A cottage industry of growers developed to furnish inventory to many of them. In some cities (Arcata on the north coast, for example) neighbors complained about a large number of rental houses that had been converted to indoor "grows." The smell was overpowering and the heavy use of electricity resulted in many fires. Citizens demanded more restrictive ordinances. To make matters worse for marijuana growers, an environmental expert says indoor "grows" cause harmful carbon emissions and use enormous amounts of electricity. Peter Lehman of the Schatz Energy Research Center and Environmental Resources Engineering Department at Humboldt State University presented his findings two weeks ago to the county's board of supervisors. "Two percent of our entire national electric grid is used to grow a plant. It's nuts," he said. Speaking of that one north costal county, he said that indoor marijuana "grows" used enough electricity to power 13,000 homes and added 20,000 tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. What's a liberal pro-marijuana environmentalist to do? What a dilemma. What city and county elected officials are doing in many parts of the state is taking those U.S. Attorney letters seriously by putting a moratorium on permits for marijuana dispensaries, closing many and severely restricting their size. In other places, such as Log Angeles, they are shutting down many that had already received permits. Last November, California voters turned down a ballot proposition intended to semi-legalize marijuana in the state, despite the federal law. So, things remain status quo. Pro-legalization supporters claim marijuana is a harmless recreational drug and that legalization will reduce the crime rate. Many medical professionals believe it may have long-term negative consequences for users. Most law enforcement agents think it is an abomination. One thing is certain. In the city where this writer lives, scarcely a week goes by without a police raid on a drug house. The newspaper reportage is so predictable it could fit a fill-in-the-blanks form: packaged marijuana ready to sell is seized, along with crack cocaine, methamphetamine, others drugs, some cash, a ledger book of customer names and firearms. The two or three occupants are hauled off to jail, awaiting trial. Mr. Hannaford lives on the Northern California coast. About the Author Peter Hannaford was closely associated with the late President Reagan, including serving as director of public affairs in the California Governor's office. His most recent book is Reagan's Roots, to be published in December. http://spectator.org/archives/2011/10/24/is-pot-going-to-pot
MJ should be made legal for any adult to use, if, and only if the users are each held individually accountable for any adverse effects resulting from the use. If an adult if found to be under the influnce of MJ and harms someone in an automobile accident, they should be face manditory criminal punishment, just as if they were over the legal limit of alcohol. If any adult develops lung cancer or any other medical side effect that COULD REASONABLY be attributed to the use of MJ, then no individual or group insurance plan or government medical insurance coverage should be paid. All expenses in any way related to treatment would then be fully paid by the individual drug user. Same should apply to cigs, alcohol, and narcotics. If some lazy, or "addicted" person uses their addiction as an excuse to receive government disability, welfare or other unemployment benefits, they should be forced to undergo manditory substance abuse treatment. If they fail to respond to the treatment, then they should not receive any benefits. If one is at least 16 years old, then they are old enough to face the consequences of their actions. I support individual accountibility. I do not support socialism.
