Gravitational waves discovered on 100th anniversary of Einstiens theory of relitivity

They're not waves in the vein of light waves. It's bodies of mass creating waves in spacetime.

 

It all depends on how you look at it and the instruments you use to confirm your take.

And if space is nothing but a great vacuum with some real stuff floating around, how can it band


Moi
Gravitonist

 

Because SPACE is not just space.

It is SPACE-TIME and it is a Dimensional TAPESTRY.

Any change in the location or mass of a Celestial Body will change the Space-Time Dimensionality around that body....and change it between that body and all other bodies.

Imagine Space-Time as a sheet and you and I get on each end and pull the sheet taunt.

Then we place a baseball in the center of the sheet.

The MASS of the Baseball will cause the sheet to dimple.

The dimple in the sheet represents the warping of space-time due to any body of mass.

If we use a baseball sized ball of steel....you will notice a greater dimple effect in the sheet thus it represents any Celestial Body of greater mass causing greater a warping of Universal Space-Time.

Now if you got a ball of wood which had the same mass as the ball of steel thus the ball of wood had a much larger radius and diameter.....you will notice the dimple effect to be more distributed over the area of the sheet it sits upon thus the steel ball will create a dimple that is DEEPER in the sheet but the ball of wood will cause a dimple that is larger in area BUT NOT as deep as the steel ball.

This example is specific to the INVERSE SQUARE LAW OF GRAVITY as the RADIUS OR DIAMETER of a celestial body specific to it's MASS determines the amount of Gravitational Effect upon objects or matter upon the SURFACE and away from the surface of a Celestial Body.

EXAMPLE.....Mars is only about 1/10th the mass of Earth but a 100 lbs person on Earth will weigh 37.6 lbs.

One would think that 1/10th the amount of mass would generate 1/10th the amount of gravity on the surface BUT....because of the INVERSE SQUARE LAW of GRAVITY.....because Mars has a diameter that is diameter 6,790 kilometers which is a bit more than 50% of Earth's 12,750 kilometer diameter.....THIS MEANS.....

.......a 100 lbs person on Earth weighs 37.6 lbs on Mars.

Get it now?

AA

 

I really like this explanation for gravity!

That is at a level that I can grasp!

 

OK... you got my attention with this.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_A_(Y-DNA)

 

Not just A but

A00

That's A, zero, zero

http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2013/03/cameroonian-y-dna-lineage-a00-is-older.html

 

I just don't buy it.​

Nor a multi universe thingie either.



Moi
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You don't have to buy it as Natural Physical Laws are FREE!

AA

 

AboveAlpha, Moi621, et al,

Well, I'm not sure that, after a certain point, these theories fall outside the realm of science. Therefore, Moi621, makes a very short, but sweet point...

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While I like to hear the lectures on these various niche science projects, I'm not at all sure that they are sound and valid.

Things like "String (M) Theory" and the "Multi-verse" are wonderful and very imaginative; but, I don't think they pass the rigor of true science.

• Observe an event or occurrence and and ask about the cause.
• Perform the Research necessary to isolate, describe and profile the event.
• Construct a Hypothesis
• Perform a Reproducible Experiment that Tests the Hypothesis
• Analyze the Data and make an Evaluation as to what the Data Means
• Formulate a Conclusion
• Record the entire process and the Data Results for Dissemination
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IMO, I do not think that the scientific community can put these two (very famous) theories through the rigors of their own process. Maybe they can come up with a hypothesis that explains an observation; it does not means that the hypothesis can be tested.

These "vibrating string" --- Are they real? How do you proves it?

These "multiverses" --- how are they detected, observed, and described?

This is very much like the idea behind "dark matter" and "dark energy." While very interesting and entertaining, they are not yet detectable? Yes, there is little question that what appears to be (large scale) "gravitational lensing" effects are observable, we actually do not know what "gravity" is. And you cannot use an unknow as a necessary component to explain an observation.

There may be serious flaws in the observations itself. Yes, the fabric of space, and the relationship between space and time is all well and good; BUT, do we know the shape of the universe and the characteristics of the shape? If the universe is the same in all directions that it is possible to make observations towards, THEN --- in what direction is the point of origin for the "Big Bang (Inflationary)?"

There may be some assumptions we make and take for granted that are simply wrong. We know, for instance, that "Relativity" and "Quantum Mechanics" do not seem to mesh. Yet, every experiment (thus far) for either achieves an outcome to the expected result. It appears (as the scientific community espouses) that the Laws of Physics describing the very largest scale are entirely different from the Laws of Physics describing that of the extremely smallest scale. We can prove that there is a discrepancy. What we cannot prove is if the mathematics used to make the comparisons are flawed. Remember, mathematics is performed with quantized numbers, and infinity is undefined.

REMEMBER: We cannot yet explain all the data from the "Double Slit Experiments" and the "interference pattern" (from probability waves). Especially when the experiment uses detectors to determine which slit the electron goes through --- and attempting to understand the duality.

The bottom line is, that until you can meet the rigors of the scientific process, it is not science (IMO). I recommend you watch Born to Rule Video by Dr. Urbasi Sinha explains the triple-slit --- and its importance.

Just as a side note: The interference pattern of the electron is remarkably similar to the electromagnetic pattern produced when you modulate a carrier with a square-wave or pulse.
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

Well we do know WHAT Gravity is and we know what generates it but we do not yet know WHY.

The Math points to a Multiversal System being in play and the math is never wrong.

AA

 

It's banded together by mass. Mass gives spacetime it's properties. If your question to that is why, well I don't know. The best I can do is compare it to asking why is Pi what it is. It's just defined that way.

The gravitational waves detected are not part of any particle-wave thing though. They're movements in spacetime itself. Adding to above alpha's explanation, if you rolled the ball across the sheet, would the sheet change instantaneously or would it take a measurable amount of time? That's what these waves are.

Whether gravitons exist or not is beyond my knowledge of physics. Your logic was faulty. That was my only point. We don't detect particles and waves of light. The duality is necessary to explain interference patterns AND the photoelectric effect.

 

What, you're a astrophysicist now are you Alpha?

 

AboveAlpha, et al,

I'm not sure that this is accurate.

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PART I

The more massive the object, the greater the fabric of space-time is impacted.

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Again --- What is the shape of fabric of space? And if the fabric of space is actually a "something" and not a void, then it twist. And like anything that twists, it stores energy. Where is that energy and how is it released? When the scientist talk about "dark energy" --- is that related to the twisted elastic space-time?

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PART II

I did not say the math was wrong. I was attempting to imply that the mathematics used is no up to the challenge. By its very nature, mathematics is biased towards Quantum Mechanics because the type of mathematics we use is a successive progression discrete quantities. Between the number "1" and the "2", there are an infinite number of discrete fractional numbers (1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16 1/32 ... &#8734 --- as well as --- an infinite number of irrational numbers that cannot be expressed in a fashion. But lines of force (within a field) are continuous, smooth and uninterrupted until they stop.

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There are lots of things we still need to consider.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

The Duality of Gravity has yet to be confirmed.
Gravity Waves had yet to be confirmed until they were.
I have "faith" Gravitons will be discovered.
Who knows, maybe "Audiotons" too some day. Okay,
I kid about Audiotons because sounds gotta propagate through something like air or water.

BTW here is a Great Upload.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=443925&page=29&p=1066100923#post1066100923 #284 above

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Particle Physicist and Cosmologist.

AA

 

Well...first of all the amount of mass of an object is not the only thing that determines effect upon space-time.

It is the amount of mass specific to the radius of the celestial body or if not round the position of it;s gravity well.

EXAMPLE.....Mars has 1/10th the mass of Earth yet a person who weighs 100 lbs on Earth weighs about 34 lbs on Mars.

WHY?

Google....INVERSE SQUARE LAW OF GRAVITY.

AA

 

Does that mean you are studying how to make a
tangled galaxy, "Silky Smooth"?
Like Scrappy Coco aka Zohan

 

Jesus is there no end to your delusions? You make Walter Mitty seem like a realist!

 

These pictures are fake, along with everything else scientists say about the universe. They cannot produce real images, because there is no space.

 

Check this out......

When we calculate the total amount of regular mass within Spiral Galaxies and then compare that mass and structure to the velocity of the outer arm stars traveling around the galactic central black hole we find that the total amount of mass should be insufficient to hold those outer arm stars in orbit as they should actually be flung out into intergalactic space.

So why don't they?

DARK MATTER.

AA

 

Not a delusion.

Because I scored ridiculously high in High School on 3 specific tests those being an I.Q. test....a Placement Test and the SAT's....which I scored 1580 and it should have been a perfect 1600 but an answer I supposedly got wrong I actually didn't.....anyways....because of this I was heavily recruited out of High School.

I was a 3 Letter Man which if you don't know means I played 3 Varsity Sports and because my Dad was Military and my Mom was..."CIVILIAN"....in the same way I am "CIVILIAN" now....I was able to cut a deal which allowed me to earn my degrees and in return do...JOBS.

I was for a time an Assistant....NOT Associate but Assistant Professor at a world renown Massachusetts based higher learning institute where I helped expand the Many Worlds Model and expanded it to Multiversal Models.

My family has 3 now rather large companies which I help run and one of them is specific to Medicine.

I am extremely proficient and in some cases one of the best there is in Particle Physics, Cosmology, Astronomy, Business, Finance, Pharmacology and Medical Equipment as well as SCUBA as I am a Master Diver with over 100 wreak dives to me credit and I also have used Rebreathers and Heliox a Helium/Oxygen Mixture for deep dives well over 250 to 300 feet down.

We use Heliox because regular air is approx. 20% Oxygen and 80% Nitrogen and every 33 feet down one dives they encounter another atmosphere of pressure.

Thus at sea level you have 1 ATM....at 33 feet...2 ATM's...at 99 feet.....4 ATM's...etc.

A Diver can only go down about 130 to 140 feet depending upon the person before they get Nitrogen Narcosis.

What happens is say at 132 Feet down which is 5 ATM's of pressure even though the RATIO of Oxygen to Nitrogen stays at 20% to 80% or 1 in 4.....the AMOUNT of Nitrogen and Oxygen a person takes in per breath at 132 Feet or 5 ATM's of pressure is 5 TIMES WHAT IT IS AT SEA LEVEL!!!

When a person takes in that much Nitrogen it get's into the blood stream and not only acts like a Narcotic but as well a person must do a decompression stop at 15 feet when coming up to allow the Nitrogen to leave the blood stream.

If a person comes up too fast the excess Nitrogen in the blood collects in the JOINTS and a person get's what is known as the BENDS.....and can die if not gotten to a decompression tank.

BUT.....just being down over 132 Feet causes the body to get DRUNK from the Nitrogen and different people have different tolerances but anything over 140 feet and a person get's so drunk that they don't care if they live or die and that's why when diving deeper than that we use HELIOX.

As far as Astronomy and Cosmology I suggest...and you will ENJOY checking this out.....Abell 1689 which is a massive Galactic Cluster at a distance of 2.2 Billion light years that is so massive you can VISUALLY SEE Abell 1689 warping Space-Time.

Also check out Abell 2218 which is another Galactic Cluster that is 3 Billion light years distant which generates so great of a gravitational effect it by gravitic lensing resolves a Galaxy that is over 13 Billion light years distant.

As far as my expertise in Particle Physics I have posted extensively in the Science Forums specific to Quantum Mechanics.

AA

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Your are nuts.

AA

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And by the way....although to YOU my seemingly endless knowledge might seem unlikely to ME it is just called GETTING OFF YOUR ASS!!!

AA

 

Dark Matter is just an equation filler !

Did you check out #284 on page 29?
Easy link http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=443925&page=29&p=1066100923#post1066100923
Now that was a thoughtful, Bravo, Reputation Tag Worthy upload. And it wasn't mine


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Google....New Discovery in Dark Matter.

This just came out.

AA

 

Yes...he makes good points but he is unaware of a few things.

Here is the thing.....although we cannot as yet definitively prove a Multiverse Exists we can use MATH to detail what is going on in our Universe.

And NEVER in the history of man has the MATH shown and detailed something to exist...and then later was proved to not exist.

NEVER!!!

The MATH is telling us a Multiversal System is in play.

AA

 

I would make the same claim about Science Fiction.
Of course there is lots to yet be discovered.
Did Captain Kirk's communicator give rise to our cellphones today?

I stand by # 284.
Proof by equations is not gonna work for Moi.
Maybe for AA, but not Moi.


Moi
Screw Mr. Higgs Boson too.


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