Great American Gun myth no2 "Guns don't kill people People Kill people"

Do you have any idea what the murder rate is in prison? they don't have guns.....

People kill people and they will kill people with whatever tool they have....

Impulse killings? really? what the hell are those? you mean like serial killers who generally DON'T USE GUNS?

You do realize the majority of "impulse killings" are via knife, blunt object, strangling or beating?

Besides if it matters its the gangbangers that are killing other gangbangers that are committing all this gun murder.

Guns don't kill people - people kill people.... It may be "stupid" but it doesn't mean it's not true.

 

Bowerbird, Please read the CDC report on Defensive gun use in the USA.
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.

The USA has seen an additional 170 million guns in the US citizenry hands in the last 20 years and our murder rate has fallen by half. Our violent crime rate has been cut by over 1/3. In fact our violent crime rate is actually lower then your near gun free Australia. So please, your trolling American gun rights that you are so clearly ignorant to is old and boring. If their is one thing I can promise you it is that Americans are even less likely to listen to outsiders like yourself tell us how to live our lives and what rights we should hold valuable.

 

Tell that to the people in the News as of late, where home invaders were killed outright thwarting their attempts at Rape and Pillaging of the Residents !!!!!!

 

And bacteria kill people and so do cars and the worst of all - old age

Does that mean we should throw our hands in the air and say "Well everyone is going to die someday so let it be today with a gun"

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Do you want to explain to the children who are left motherless and in care because their father shot her that they were safer with that gun in the house?

 

I have

When you actually read it instead of interpreting it the way many gun owners would LIKE it to read it actually casts doubt on the veracity of the existing research and they recommend further research

As for the reduced injuries - honestly I do not think they were counting all the bystander injuries occurring in gunfire exchange

My question, which is never answered, is - Why is DGU only happening in America? I mean if it is saving so many lives then counties with strict gun control should be seeing vast numbers of murder victims

 

Countries with strict gun control do see you vast numbers of murders. Mexico for instance has strict gun control and astronomical murder rates. In fact the united states is not even in the top 100 for murder by firearms and most of the nations that have higher rates of murder are countries where citizens are not legally allowed to own firearms. In addition, suicides, which make up the large majority of US deaths by firearm, are equally interesting to look at. the US suicide rate hovers at about 11.9 to 12.1 per rate. Very similar to Australia for that matter. But what you should look at is the Suicide rates in France and japan which are MUCH higher than the USA despite lack of gun ownership in those countries.

 

People Don't Kill People.

Knives and Trucks and Guns, oh and chairman Mao, and Hitler, don't forget Stalin...oh wait, I think I'm forgetting someone.....


Darnit, People DO Kill People.

 

You forgot Che'.

 

"There is nothing more dangerous than an idealist who actually practices what they believe"

Ravill

 

1. It does say that more research should be done. That doesn't diminish the findings of the research that has been done. Also I have yet to see research conclusions that didn't call for more research.

2. You said "I do not think they were counting all the bystander injuries occurring in gunfire exchange"..... have you any proof of this or is this your way of deluding yourself?

3. DGU's are only happening in America because we allow lawful firearm ownership and concealed carry. There are over 100 million legal firearm owners here. This is a good thing that people are allowed to defend themselves. There are stories everyday in local press outlets that report these happenings. If a country doesnt allow people to own firearms then you are not going to hear about DGU's are you?

 

According to the VPC, the most virulent and hoplophopic anti-gun organization in the US, guns are used defensively 118 times per day.
This exceeds the number of times they are used to commit murder by a factor of >5.

 

Yep... Just today for instance....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-wallets-one-player-pulls-out-something-else/

 

He got a "Glockachoo".

 

Such as the ones who are shot by rival criminals simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

There is quite literally no evidence to suggest any bystanders are injured by legal firearm owners who are defending themselves against harm. There are no stories in the news of bystanders being shot by a concealed carry holder who was engaged in the act of protecting themselves from harm.

Because no other country allows its populace to carry firearms for the purpose of their own protection. You yourself has said that the nation of Australia does not consider self defense to be a legitimate reason for owning a firearm, and this trend is shared by numerous other countries. The united states is unique in holding an opposite position to this general trend.

 

Ad hominem. Weak sauce.

 

However the Supreme Court ruled that ruled that keeping firearms for self defense is protected by the 2A.

By far, firearms in the home are more likely to not to cause harm to anyone nor to be used for self defense.

 

I want you to show me when a gun ran up on someone and killed them.

 

Exactly right. I have no fear of a gun laying on a table or stuck in a holster. But place that same gun in the hand of a human being, and I'm taking cover.

And to anybody looking to shred the Second Amendment and take away guns from law abiding citizens, I say talk to us after you've made arrangements to give up your secret service detail. It is extremely easy to toss aside rights that you have no need of, it's a whole different thing to consider such an action in the context of your own personal needs. So level the playing field before telling us what a great thing you're doing for us.

 

Is this your theory again that seeing pictures of guns makes you more violent?

 

And what pray tell is this so-called weapons effect that you refer to? Is it the ability of a random item to exert compliance and fear when it is brandished in a hostile manner?

 

I think She is saying nobody is killed by pencils and KNIVES,
Somewhat of an exageration.