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  1. Taxpayer

    Taxpayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  2. Iron River

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    Velcro invented in 1948 by the Swiss electrical engineer George de Mestral and capitalized on independent of any state sponsored development. NASA got Velcro from the private sector not the other way around.

    Are you saying that the liberal horde is lusting for the wealth of others who created the wealth?
     
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    Wealth flows freely in this country and it can be created by any. One man having more gold than another won't harm this country. What will harm it is fewer folks solving problems and instead believing the only way to get dollars is to demand another man give them a task and a wage or worse... believe they have to fight another man to take his.
     
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    See, that's why I consider you merely a troll and not merely an opinionated, although ignorant poster.

    First, I requested you provide sources. You failed naturally.

    Now, how are these debt instruments rolled over? They are not regular Treasury bonds, they are special intergovernmental debt instruments that can't be sold on the market.

    And these are in fact liabilities to the federal government. These [Trust Fund] balances are available to finance future benefit payments and other Trust Fund expenditures – but only in a bookkeeping sense.... They do not consist of real economic assets that can be drawn down in the future to fund benefits. Instead, they are claims on the Treasury that, when redeemed, will have to be financed by raising taxes, borrowing from the public, or reducing benefits or other expenditures. The existence of large Trust Fund balances, therefore, does not, by itself, have any impact on the Government’s ability to pay benefits. (from FY 2000 Budget, Analytical Perspectives, p. 337)


    If you were a merely a misinformed poster, I might get some satisfaction educating you, but instead, I feel that since you are just a troll, it's a waste of time.
     
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    Even better!

    And no man having gold means only the government can fix problems. I don't trust congress to cure cancer or invent the the lightbulb. They're busy and can't be bothered with worthless consumables...
     
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    I really hope you get exactly what's coming to you, sporting a mindset like that one. I cannot say strongly enough, that you're completely wrong.

    The world has been on the cusp of self-destruct mode for millenia, because of people who think the way you do. :(
     
  7. Johnny-C

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    You are incorrect. With all that is transpiring in from of our very eyes... you can say that with a straight, serious face? (That's discouraging.)

    When MONEY and certain concentrations of it are allowed and promoted... literal POWER can build up and essentially CLOG the 'flow' of commerce in general.

    But more than that, I see that people with your mindset should be challenged readily AND relentlessly; and that day is coming right away. Expect it.
     
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    In that scheme, I'm curious where the requisite controllers of wealth derive the right to determine who can own what and when and where. What can be said for a people that chose their leaders for the purpose of mandating who owns what? I wonder why anyone other than pirates would want such a system.

    One more question. Isn't it a bit paradoxical that we all want to live in a land where we are free to prosper yet, at the same time, many would condemn those that do prosper as greedy and so desire to establish government controls that would strip them of some arbitrarily determined portion of that prosperity?
     
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    Those are all decent concerns; good questions.

    Personally, I don't mind people owning a certain proportion of the nation's wealth. And that has varied throughout this nation's existence. As for the present time, it is evident that we have allowed a serious imbalance to occur... and in the right ways and amount of time, future imbalances (that large) need to be prevented. The specific mechanics of that is something that I cannot address competently enough; but I know solutions must ultimately be applied.

    So again, I don't want to "strip" anyone of what they've earned, only have them bear more of the burden of contributing to the COMMON WEALTH to a more proportionate degree than many presently do. The middle class can't do/fix 'everything'; they have a right to ask why others would not contribute more overall.

    Ultimately, I think the American people WILL finally wake up and also take measures to ENSURE that MORE people wield the larger portions of wealth which (right now) only a few control. Having so much of the nation's wealth in the hands of so few, is a greater disaster waiting to happen... than what we already saw in 2008. It just isn't 'prudent' for so few to possess so much of this nation's wealth. We need to guard against that more effectively in the future.
     
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    I am saying that the source of wealth is unimportant to the left. They simply see it and want it and hope government will get if for them.
     
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    I wouldn't say those are generally the same people. I don't like the principle of the state ripping off anyone who becomes wealthy, because it sets a precedent for ripping me off as well. And not only do I hope my right to property will be respected, who knows, what if I'm successful? I feel that adopting a double standard is loathsome.
     
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    The power you are referring to doesn't come from any type of clogging. It comes from one man providing more value than another, and that lesser man therefore ending up in his debt. The debt is measured in dollars and yes: there is a problem with so many people in this nation offering so little value that we end up so much debt between people.

    "Challenge" me all you like and you may even get your way and seize the value I produced that you failed to equal. It won't change the underlying problem.
     

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