Ground Zero Mosque Imam Rauf kicks off speaking tour at banquet of Hamas-linked group

So much for being a moderate. Hamas is a known terrorist group which has been active in a Jihad

More evidence of Rauf's sterling moderation. "Ground Zero imam kicks off tour at Hamas conspirator banquet," from WorldNetDaily, January 2

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=246541

 

'Ground Zero Mosque' Opens...

NYC Islamic center opens community space
September 19, 2011 — The organizers of an Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero are opening a temporary space at the site.

 

The problem with Hamas is they are both a political movement (radical Islam, but not quite Islamist) that has no intention of making peace with Israel and is willing to use terrorist tactics, but also a group that runs a number of charities in Gaza and elsewhere and which has until recently seen as much less corrupt and nepotistic than Fatah (who control the Palestinian Authority). This means that they present two faces to the world and it makes them hard to categorize.

The $12 million was no doubt sent to Hamas, but was the ISNA sending the money for terrorism, for charity or for both? Calling the organisation in question an unindicted co-conspirator sounds very bad, but it also boils down to saying they helped raise and send money to a Palestinian organisation with a strong charitable component. The fact that they were unindicted would suggest that the FBI felt that the intent was towards charity, not terrorism, or they would have pursued the case.

This is a classic case of DutchClogCyborg presenting a story involving Muslims in the worst possible light and thus implying that all Muslims are covert Islamist terrorist supporters on a jihadi mission against the West. It's unfortunate Feisal Abdul Raif refuses to condemn Hamas, but since such a condemnation would probably be seen among Muslims as siding with Israel against the oppressed Palestinians I can see why the Imam does not want to make such a statement.

 

Ground Zero Mosque opens this week. So while Americans protested and opposed this insult to our dead, work continued quietly behind the scenes.

Spitting in the faces of the families of the dead.
Spitting in the faces of Americans.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/19/ground-zero-mosque-to-open-this-wednesday/

 

The Nazis killed 50 million people but they also stabilized the German economy, provided full employment, ran charities and opened kindergartens. This means they presented two faces to the world and it made them hard to categorize. Right?

It's not unfortunate, it's despicable and disgusting and while your conclusion is probably correct, it's hard to imagine that any sane person would see the islamic hatred of Israel as a valid excuse for not condemning a terrorist organization with a river of innocent blood on their hands.

 

categorize this;

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/19/...-must-choose-between-jizya-conversion-or-war/

 

Why am I surprised to hear a Zionist being ambivilent towards Nazi's?

 

The exhibition it has on as an opening act looks nice, maybe a bit tacky for my liking, but if I lived in NYC I'd visit it:

http://dannygoldfield.com/2011/07/04/park51_prezi/

 

And falling for their biggest myths! Providing full employment, my ass! No big deal if you manipulate the statistics by exempting Jewish Germans and women from the workforce and investing borrowed money you could only ever pay back if you started a war and won it, which - incidentally - they didn't. And kindergartens, how sweet! Yes, these HJ-uniforms really looked cute and proper. *shakes head*

 

I'm not at all conflicted on "categorizing" Hamas. It's really easy.

They can do all the good works they want the world to see, but it only takes one or 2 terrorist attacks to show their real colors. If they were truly an organization that promoted only good things, there would be no discussion about them, whatsoever.

Good works are only a cover for their true and evil motivations.

 

Well, based on experience I don't expect a lot of intelligence from Israel haters, mostly raw emotions, anger, hatred and hysteria. Still I did not expect the fact that I was ridiculing skeptic's inability to "categorize" Hamas and tried to help his categorization process with an analogy to be lost even on the most intellectually-challenged members of the anti-Israel mob. My bad!

 

When you see it as an insult to 'your' dead. I suppose you don't include the dead Muslim Americans who were killed in the 9/11 attacks.
According to the New York Times "others saw it as a potent symbol of tolerance to counter the religious extremism that prevailed on that day." http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/park51/index.html
Well I suppose it could have been a potent symbol of tolerance had the islamophobic ilk not successfully started to stir hysteric (***) and thus turned it into a worldwide symbol for American religious intolerance and thus to into another victory for the terrorists. Your reaction is exactly what they would have wanted.

 

Building a mosque there is a form of religious extremism. It's deliberate "in your face" insensitivity, a spit in the face. Tolerance seems to go one way only nowadays, the more tolerant the west becomes the more intolerant, fundamentalist and arrogant the Muslim world grows.

 

Apparently the $ 12 million wasn't sent by ISNA, but by the Holy Land Foundation in Texas.
You rightly spotted the word "unindicted co-conspirator", which would indicate that the ISNA was not indicted of having anything to do with it.
Indeed another feeble attempt by Dutch to make Muslims look bad and throw dirt at them. It seems that the thought that there might be Muslims out there that don't want to kill us in our sleep makes islamophobes nervous.

 

This sounds like islamophobic conspiracy theories to me. Of course the go between guy is going to talk to many people from all sides of the religious spectrum. But, it seems all fair and legal to me.

Since those "scary" Islamic people weren't shut down at the height of the GREAT ISLAM SCARE, when the Federal Government has full access to financial data (Patriot Act), it seems to me the Hamas funding scare is baseless. The Government shut down other people just fine for funding terrorism, so there isn't a legal basis to blame every Muslim group of funding terrorist Hamas.

 

Correct.

No moderate would've considered building an Islamic cultural center in this chosen location. However, several noteworthy Muslims have spoken out against the location... even offered assistance in finding a more suitable location.

Part of me hates to say it, but I wouldn't be disappointed if Rauf & Co met a very tragic and unfortunate end. (*)(*)(*)(*) em.

 

Unindicted Co-Conspirator Law & Legal Definition

An unindicted co-conspirator is a person who is identified by a law enforcement officer to have engaged in a conspiracy, but who is not charged in the indictment charging that person’s fellow conspirators. Prosecutors may name persons as unindicted co-conspirators for: grants of immunity, pragmatic considerations, and evidentiary concerns.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/u/unindicted-co-conspirator/

 

Nonsense: building a mosque there shows that the terrorists didn't succeed in their attempt to start a religious war, but that Americans of all creeds still value religious tolerance and live peacefully side by side.
Unfortunately islamophobes want religious war as well, which is why they keep on yapping without reason and slander the hell out of people who promote peace.

 

Most Americans oppose the Park 51 project...

 

Seems that evidentiary concerns don't concern you. Well, baseless accusations are a speciality of islamophobic mudslingers.

 

Probably because most Americans watch Fox News. It's sad to see a once great nation known for its enlightened principles go downhill.

 

It shows they won it.

PS they could have built a memorial of some sorts..., or perhaps a church in Mecca or Medina. That would have been a sign of tolerance, respect and humility. Building a religious symbol in which name 3,000 people were murdered is the height of insensitivity. It's like planting a Turkish flag on the graves of the victims of Armenian genocide - that would be the exact opposite of tolerance and respect, would not it?

 

Not at all. They were part of the conspiracy, that's clear from the definition. Just because OJ was acquitted does not mean he was innocent, just because the were not indicted does not mean they were not willingly helping Hamas.

 

Muslim Americans were among those 3.000 who were killed. Muslim Americans took part in the rescue efforts. Muslim Americans who live in NYC don't have a say in Mecca or Median.
You are spitting in Americans' faces when you ignore all this because you're too engulfed in religious prejudice to honour your fellow-countrymen whose religion happens to differ from yours.

 

No, it's because concerning this particular issue, most Americans have their head right. Rauf is no moderate. He's a divisive idiot who's throwing fuel on the fire.