Guns and Drugs

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by modernpaladin, Aug 30, 2019.

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  1. I think current drug laws are reasonable and effective, and new gun laws will be as well.

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  2. I think current drug laws are reasonable and effective, but new gun laws will fail (explained below)

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  3. I think current drug laws are a failure, but new gun laws will work just fine (explained below)

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  4. I think current drug laws are a failure, and new gun laws will be as well.

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you feel about the current drug laws, and do you think new gun laws will be any different?
     
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    What new gun laws? None have been made into l law.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OP fails because it is trying to erroneously CONFLATE two entirely UNRELATED issues.
     
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    I think drugs should be legal in all countries.

    Guns should be regulated.
     
  7. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It sounds like you concur with one of the last two choices. How come you havnt voted?
     
  8. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you think guns will be easier to effectively regulate than drugs?
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's just say that in the UK, drug offences are a daily problem and guns are once in a blue moon.

    So that are the facts.

    And you are trying to compare apples to pears.
     
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    The FDA would REGULATE guns as Schedule 1 drugs.

    So that would be changed to read;

    Schedule 1 (I) firearms are defined by the federal government as dangerous weapons with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People who abuse drugs harm themselves. Decriminalising reduces crime and HIV infections. Read up on Portugal if anyone wants to know more.

    As for guns, people who abuse them often kill innocent people, especially at massacres.
     
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    And yet abusing such substances leads to an increase in the rate of operating motor vehicles in an impaired condition, which directly leads to greater levels of motor vehicle-related deaths.
     
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    Laws that aren't enforced are doomed to fail.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you think we can make it harder to get an illegal gun than it is to get, say, illegal marijuana or heroine or meth now?
     
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    In most places illegal marijuana is slightly cheaper than legal and in some places it's significantly cheaper.
    I don't know if it's easier to get.. i guess since there is a legal age to buy it you could argue illegal is easier for some.
     
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    Guns were never a huge problem there to begin with. They've never been popular with criminals or LACs in the UK.

    Apples and oranges are both fruit that grow on trees that people eat or make into juice.

    Guns and drugs are both socially destabilizing items that people can make at home, smuggle and sell illegally, and they will do so when theres any profit in it.

    In the context of effective restriction, how are they 'apples and oranges'?
     
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    Thats a fine argument from the ethical perspective, but we're discussing the capability of enforcement perspective. Guns are no less popular here than drugs that have been illegal for decades. The laws havn't made drugs less popular, theres no reason to think they will make guns less popular either.
     
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    Also, why would you comment here without voting?
     
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    The enforcement happens in the UK. Why are the UK police able to do this but American police can't?
     
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    No, it is not cheaper or easier but you don't buy or smoke weed and never have..
     
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    No but i can read... i posted the information a month ago on another thread. Illegal is cheaper.
     
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    Because folks in the UK never valued access to firearms. Almost no one there wants them, so they have no incentive to break the law to get them. Same reason you were able to ban them in the first place- no popular opposition to the laws.

    We like our guns. Laws arent going to change that. If it helps you to understand the dynamic, look at it like an addiction. Making more laws restricting 'addictive' substances (or in this case, objects) does not reduce the demand that results from that 'addiction.'
     
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    Guns and Drugs... Sounds like a Guns N' Roses cover band to me.
     
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    Guns aren't banned though in the UK, did you not know that?

    If you're American, you will struggle with this.

    In the UK, you have to be deemed and vetted as sensible enough to own one. If you are, you can have as many as you want. In America, any nut job gets them because America are daft enough to allow this.

    So don't blame us Americans can't handle guns.
     
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