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  1. its about Liberty

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    Another of my predictions coming true. If Obama does steal the Presidency, he wont be around long to enjoy it. With the House picking up more Republican seats and the Senate surely going Republican, Obozo better head back to Kenya. I dont think they have an extradition treaty...........

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.CON.RES.107:
     
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    This North Carolina congressman obviously never heard of the War Powers Resolution. I can see where one can try to impeach the President over improperly using the Resolution, but one would not have an argument for impeachment. Tell me, what Constitutional clause renders the War Powers Resolution null and void in this regard?
     
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    did you read the link??????????
     
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    The resolution states the following: (bold for emphasis). :roll:

    That it is the sense of Congress that, except in response to an actual or imminent attack against the territory of the United States, the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress violates Congress's exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution and therefore constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under article II, section 4 of the Constitution.​

    The Constitution does not say how Congress must declare war and every military action is eventually funded by Congress, if not the action stops, and the troops come home. Those who do not understand often speak of "illegal wars," yet they can't show Congress defunding a one of them. It is impossible for Congress to pass a funding bill without so declaring the reason for the funding, or for DECLARING the funds be used for WAR.

    Impeach Obama if you like for doing something like violating the Constitution by making recess appointments when Congress WAS not in recess. :omg:
     
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    The War Powers Resolution violates the separation of powers in the US Constitution. Congress is not the Commander-in-Chief, nor do they write foreign policy. The Constitution gives the Congress Power to declare war, but does not define how that must be done, nor state that HAS to be done (HOWEVER defined... :roll: ) before military action ordered by the Commander-in-Chief, or the President.

    The War Power Act is not a Constitution al Amendment, and was written BY Democrats violating the Constitution trying to control the foreign policy of a Republican President
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    Yes I did. The clauses he cited are the War Powers Clause and the Impeachment clause. The problem is that when this statute is matched up to competing laws, such as the War Powers Resolution, the President did not violate the Constitution.

    The War Powers Resolution is Constitutional based upon arguments of Presidents past and present that their actions were necessary and proper (as in the clause). So, what can invalidate this? Easy, mentioning the Supremacy Clause. Unlike the necessary and proper clause, which can be essentially used as a blanket validation of any federal government action, the Supremacy clause is clear and concise. In every major court case involving it, not one opinion has invalidated that the United States Constitution is in fact the law of the land. If the Congressman mentioned the Supremacy clause, he would be the winner in my book, because it is irrefutable. Unfortunately, he made the mistake of disregarding such a provision or assumed people would know.
     
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    The abject hatred of some for the President, causes many to make the most asinine and ludicrous claims. :(

    I almost do not want Mr. Obama to NOT win... so we can see how much the radical Right will further screw the majority of Americans and screw up the nation overall. We'll see what happens in November 2012.
     
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    Dunno, EVERY problem this country now faces is a direct result of Democrat (The Party of Treason) Violations of the Constitution! :puke:
     
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    Obama will surely be impeached by the new Republican Senate. its a slam dunk. The constitutionality of the issue wont be decided in SCOTUS. It will be decided by the new Republican Senate. Once voted on you libs better hope Hillary is Obozos new VP. Biden would be a gift for Repub House and a super majority in the new Repub Senate.
     
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    No, you are so blinded in your bias. What you suggest isn't even close to true.
     
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    There may not even be enough Republicans that will stomach such a provision so as to get it out of committee. We will see. The fact of the matter is that the impeachment articles must be approved before this Congress is finished. If not, and the President is still in power, it will have to be re-proposed. Depending on who is the majority in each house, it could be easier or harder for a Republican, if Obama is re-elected, to call for impeachment.
     
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    I think it would be awesome to have the Republicans attempt to impeach two Democratic presidents in a row. Talk about contempt for the Constitution (not to mention the voters).

    Will the grownups in the Republican Party -- if there are any left -- please retake control soon?
     
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    How much did you donate for guru status. Obozo administration is pack with corporate white dudes and ex bankers who lobbied for bale outs for their old gigs. hahaha, Jeff Imelt fired all the GE x-ray workers and moved the whole division to China. exactly what corporation are we supposed to hate/tax/redistribute? your superficial opinion is only supported by you hate for Republicans. What has Obozo done that makes you proud to be a Lib/Democrat? name something he has improved. Show some statistic that can only be construed as a success. He has made everything worse. America may never recover.
     
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    Your about to witness a turnover of Democrat seats to Republican in epic proportion. Obozo has lost every demographic. well with the exception of 2 perhaps, blacks and muuslims,,lol but the Issa hearings are being timed perfectly,, to heat up around September/ October. Operation Fast and Furious, gas pricess, unemployment. yea its gonna be ugly. The Democrats can lie to themselves about a "fragile recovery" but inflation is at 8%, real unemployment is around 15% their is no good news for Democrats
     
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    LOL impeach him for what?
     
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    What statistics are you using?
     
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    I'm terrified. Really.
     
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    it's like you didn't even read the responses in this thread.
     
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    Sure it is, name a problem and I will equate it to Democrat violations of the Constitution...

    It is YOU who reject reality. :puke:
     
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    And where did Congress exercise it's power to declare war in the following? Korea? Vietnam? Grenada? Panama? Lebanon? Somalia? Iraq I? Afghanistan? Iraq II? Libya? Are they going to retroactively impeach, Truman? Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama? What planet do you live on?
     
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    Your approach is intolerable to me. You just attack the President (as too many on the Right do).

    You're on my ignore list.

    Peace.
     
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    Congress has the power to declare War, it also has the power to provide funding for the military. The war powers act defines how Congress will allow the military to be used. (I agree it's badly drawn... but it is with Congress's power to define how it will allow it's powers to be used. )

    In my opinion the War Powers act should be unnecessary, since Congress has the power to cut off funding for any activity the Executive Branch is pursuing. They just need the guts to do it.
     
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    Congress funded all of which you cite as examples. Congress DECLEARED that funding to be for all those military exercises. Where does the Constitution say Congress MUST declare "War," and how does the Constitution prescribe such a declaration be made? If you can't answer those questions I guess you MUST agree with me that the Constitution was not violated by ANY of your examples... :roll:
     
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    EXACTLY my point!!!! Congress has no POWER under the Constitution to be Commander-in-Chief or direct how that POWER will be used! The Democrat Congress under Nixon overstepped its bounds when they tried to act as Commander-in-Chief, and control BOTH the military AND foreign policy. They have the powers of the purse, not the power to command the military. They can (and never have) cut spending on "wars." Once they fund them they declare their support. :omg:
     
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    Like I said impeachment depends on how many Senators and House members vote to impose it. Nothing Obama has done would be impeachable to dimocrats or lib/***** on this board. But when the House adds another 30-40 seats (which is likely) and the Senate goes Repub supermajority. Obozo is hi s t o r y
     

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