H.R.5 - Equality Act

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Do you support the so called, "trans equality act"

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  1. gorfias

    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    The bottom line talks about letting men “with equipment” into woman’s facilities in accordance with “their gender identity.” Who determines their sexual identity? Can they change their sexual identity from day to day depending on their mood? Can this be stretched to include men participating in women’s sports? Probably.

    Having been burned with quotas based on sex and gender, I become leery of these types of bills.
     
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    I agree with the idea.... but I do fear some heterosexual men might take advantage of it

    of course if you force trans men to use the women's restroom, heterosexual men would fit right in as they look just like trans men

    seems the real issue is perverted heterosexuals, how do we address the dangers of heterosexual men?

    I personally think the way our gyms and hospitals here do it, private unisex restrooms is the way to go
     
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    Sports is a tough one, I think most support discrimination there... but then if we start supporting it, could white men demand separate teams claiming they are not as genetically gifted as black players?

    Sports are where seems society is willing to admit men and women are not equal
     
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    Admit they are not the same. Slinging the word "equality" around seems like an outreach to the concept of fairness. In reality, it can do much mischief.

    For illustration, suppose we decide that all split ranch homes must have equality with air craft carriers? They're not the same thing. So what the heck are you even talking about?

    Promoters of the bill will tell you what it will actually do but people need to be reminded: they don't get to decide that. USSC justices, who may not know what a woman is, gets to do that.

    Yes one can change their identity back and forth. It's called being gender fluid.
    And I note above, WE and the laws framers do NOT get to decide what it means. It will be decided by USSC Justices, some of whom tell you they don't know what a woman is.

    ITMT, gotta try to find some humor in all this:

     
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    Liberalism is destroying society and morality. But that is their goal to destroy traditional society so they can usher in their brave New world.
     
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    The point that White men would demand their own league is bunk. That ship sailed a long time ago with Jackie Robinson.
     
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    People are different from each other. Particularly men and women. When you demand, "equality" between 2 different things, what the heck are you actually talking about? Above, for illustration, I ask, suppose we decide that all split ranch homes must have equality with air craft carriers? They're not the same thing. So what the heck are you even talking about?
    In the end, it will be whatever elite rulers who can't tell you what a woman is to decide.
    Joe Biden has been credibly accused of showering with his own 12 year old daughter. This could end up being the law if a gender fluid biological man thinks he has an equal right to shower with 9 year old girls at the public elementary school. Maybe play sports with them, crippling and even killing some. They would erase girls in every major strength based sport (flexible sports like gymnastics would likely be safe for women). But, so much for Title 9.
     
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    I go to the bathroom to crap, not to have sex.

    Seems someone is having trouble focusing on the topic.

    Why is it that taking a crap automatically raises the sexual predilection in some people?
     
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    1) Good for you. I've been propositioned and even assaulted in the men's room by I assume, gay men (guy stuck his erection through a hole in the stall wall while I was trying to take a crap unmolested. I was otherwise unharmed). More than once. I reserve the right to be concerned about this sort of thing. I think single person unisex bathrooms and separate bathrooms for the handicapped should resolve this problem.

    2) Someone is having a problem understanding the ramifications of a law being pushed by a guy credibly accused of showering with his 12 year old daughter.

    I heard about a they them burning its own house down to get attention as, nobody cares. You want to do trans stuff? Don't cheat at sports, stay away from kids. Other than that, Americans are very libertarian and don't care. So if someone is pushing for an "equality" act when the only thing they really can't do is cheat at sports and get access to children, it stands to reason that the purpose of the act is to.... help them cheat at sports and have access to children.
     
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    Here's the thing.
    This is, in the end, all about sexual preference.
    Starting with one's preference for, say, hair color or body type in what they would call their "ideal" partner.
    You know, what they find "sexually attractive".
    And whether they prefer one or the other sex for their partner.
    Or both. Or whatever.
    All the way up to their preference to be seen as a male/female.
    Or as some animal, you know, like a cat or horse or whatever.

    It's all just about what spins the crank, so to speak.

    And sexual preference between consenting adults isn't any of my business, or your business, and for damn sure, not any of government's business.

    Now.
    As to men in the women's locker room, or the "right" to participate in sports, that isn't "sexual preference" and even if it were, it darn sure isn't between "consenting" adults. That said, a woman who wants to dress as a man and use the male restroom isn't going to scandalize anyone. A man dressing as a woman and wanting to use the female restroom is necessarily going to be peeing in a stall. Same with a woman in the male restroom.
    So where's the scandal in that?
    What is anyone going to see, when one is sitting in a stall with the door closed? Peeking out between the cracks.

    Taking showers? Come on. Are teenaged boys going to object to a woman in their shower?
    Now, teenaged girls will likely take strong exception to a naked peepee in their shower, leading us back to "consenting adults".

    Plus, you have the irate fathers of teenaged girls finding out some swinging pokie thing was in their little angels shower facilities at school. I would not want to be identified as the swinging pokie thing, would you?

    This seems to be one of those "problems" government identifies so they can, you know, fix it.
     
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    I strongly disagree with everything you write but would add, as I've written above, for the most part, nobody cares. Don't cheat at sports, stay away from kids. If that's all that is prohibited, you can intuit the purpose of this law is so that people can cheat at sports and have access to children. Non-starter for the vast majority of normal sane people.
     
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    1. Maybe you should choose better bathrooms or or stop wearing your "JUICY" shorts
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    2. Not credibly, not relevant. I see when your ass is being handed to you your goto is character assassination. How MAGA of you and...

    You don't give a single damn about sports. What you are fixated on, your fetish, as it were, is people having sex with children. If this concerns you I suggest you worry less about QUEER people and focus on your pastor, scout leader, coach because

    NOT A TRANNY

    https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/...-giving-birth-in-closest-psychiatric-hospital
     
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    I didn't see anything in the bill that would prevent men from competing in women's sports, and vice-versa.
     
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    oh, some groups would try it again if we're not careful and weaken our equal rights laws
     
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    Ah, victim blaming. Guess it's different when you do it.

    Come now. Biden is a child sniffing freak. And he's is gushing about pushing this thing.

    And you know what some of these coaches, scout leader, pastors have that I think those pushing trans/queer agenda have much less of? Access to kids. What are they asking for? Access to kids.

    What on Earth would make you think I don't care about fairness in sports and the safety of women?
    Of course I'm against cheating and what is unfair. Without virtue signaling, can't we agree cheating makes a game less exciting?
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    And the safety of women should be a concern of any husband, father, son.

    https://www.heritage.org/gender/com...rls-forcing-team-forfeit-wither-thou-feminism

    Maybe one day we won't care about such matters. But the existence of this "equality" act is about taking away ordinary peoples' right to a say in the matter.

    I'm reviewing to see how my reps voted and hope to make an issue of it. Any one passing this violent attack on children and worse should never hold public office again.
     
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    Obviously a little slap causes some to go all off the rails...

    I've been in bathrooms in airports, bars, restaurants, and other places across this country in every state excepting Hawaii and Maine. Never one time had anyone proposition me in a restroom.

    This is your fantasy. You want to play the victim, enjoy.


    Another of your fantasies and irrelevant to the discussion.

    Access to kids you say? Ergo admitting this is another of your fantasies because the people you want so desperately to hate can't do what you're accusing them of because the don't have the kinds of access your heroes possess.

    Fairness? OK. Let's get rid of tall people in basketball, people who can throw baseballs 100+ MPH and people who can hit baseballs 500 ft. People over 220 pound in football as well as those who can run a sub 5.0 40.

    After all, it's all about "fairness."

    I'm sure your reps will ignore you just as effectively as everyone else.

     
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    A more considered response.
    1) Double down on victim blaming, this time saying it didn't happen. Its different when you do it.
    2) Joe Biden is a kid sniffing freak.
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    3) That's not how sports and cheating works or worries anyone. We do segregate by sex.
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    4) Trump is leading by so wide a margin we can infer from what he's saying that Biden's AG is calling for massive voting fraud.
     
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    You didn't actually read the bill, did you?
     
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    I did. What part of it do you think would change my mind?
    For instance, "The bill prohibits an individual from being denied access to a shared facility, including a restroom, a locker room, and a dressing room, that is in accordance with the individual's gender identity." https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th...Kk6LZOoWiFusm7WVsfqwh3BS-Io6IGN_kvMg0wh4sF-n0 Sounds pretty evil and destructive to me. You?
     
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    A bill which would change nothing, because workplace discrimination laws are already in the books. No wonder it didn't go anywhere 3 yrs ago when they discussed it in the House.

    Vote: No=Not needed.
     
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    You think this is already the law of the land?

    "The bill prohibits an individual from being denied access to a shared facility, including a restroom, a locker room, and a dressing room, that is in accordance with the individual's gender identity." https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th...Kk6LZOoWiFusm7WVsfqwh3BS-Io6IGN_kvMg0wh4sF-n0 Sounds pretty evil and destructive to me.

    Of course, in a nation where they hallucinated that a bar on warrantless searches and seizures = the unfettered right of women to kill healthy unborn viable babies up to the moment of birth I suppose they can come up with anything.
     
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    Discrimination laws? Yes, so there was no need for another one. Why do you worry about bills which failed 3 years ago?
     

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