Has Russia Now Salvaged Europe?

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  1. General Winter

    General Winter Active Member

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    I seems,Russian occupants again save Europe.Waiting for the next expressing gratitude:

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    Demolition of Soviet soldier's monuments in Poland
     
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    The US support of the Taliban is well documented in Bitter Lake. And the Taliban did very well out of it, thank you very much!!
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While it is true that the US began extremist Islam as a fighting force by funding, training and arming fanatics let out of Arab jails to go and fight and those who joined them in preference to democratic minded Afghans and turned a blind eye to those mentioned Afghans being murdered (source RAWA) as well as having full knowledge that Afghan children were receiving an education which ignored the basics of a normal education including Afghan Tradition and instead offered only a fanatical religious education funded by the Saudis. It is true that the US did this with full knowledge that it was funding fanatics and that it did this because it reckoned normal Afghans would come to an agreement with the Russians whereas fanatics never would and hence the war could bankrupt Russia - and of course these were the people after the Afghan/Russia/US war who were let loose on the world. That much is true.

    The rest I doubt. There is no resolution in sight. The last thing Russia itself would do is want to save the EU. On the contrary she is supporting the various far right groups in Europe both financially and by giving them air time on RT. As far as Russia is concerned the more refugees to Europe the better as that helps the far right to gain supporters and hence increases the likelihood of the EU disintegrating into Ethnic Nationalist states who hate the US - as the far right European groups do. She hopes then to assimilate them into the Eurasian Union and leave the US and possibly the UK isolated.
     
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    1. EU is a erfect mechanism to kee Euroe away from internal wars. Just look at the history of Europe. The bloodiest and senseless wars were here. Not in Asia. And the wars of the 20th century largely inspired by western europe became a true disaster for... Russia.
    This is the vital interest for Russia to keep EU together.

    2. What happens now in the structure of EU is ... the lack of democracy. E.g. the dutch people recently told that they don't want to merge with Ukraine. But this move has been organised by european leadership without asking the people. The economic policies also don't ask the people. But in theory they should have. At the moment the most important political power opposing the current situation is right parties. This is exactly why they are given time on RT. If it was socialists or libs - it would be they to have their say. RT is definitely pushing the views favourable for Russia. But that doesn't coincide with rights or lefts. The grounds of political parties differ from their current agenda.

    3. The making of european nation of traditional nationalities creates a risk of different sort for Russia. If the current situation of values of current political power in EU preserves, than EU would be brought as anti-russian entity. Like Ukraine. Having such a powerful and well-manipulated enemy is definetely not a dream of Kremlin. The Kremlin would rather see the trade union of germans, french, british etc, who regard Russia as a strategic trade and political partner. Which also has its profits for the EU comparing to hostility and war. If the new europeans preserve their national entity regarding themselves as the continuators of christian old Europe - there will be grounds for dialogue and understanding. But at the moment the new leadership destroys the historical values of the past the way they do it in Poland.
     
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    It may be a vital interest of Russia to keep the EU together. That does not mean she would not prefer them aligned with her and not with the US. - see below
    While I agree with you about wars and the issues with democracy - the reality is that it is the far right which Russia is supporting not surprisingly because a) their views, not all but a great many, suit Russia and more importantly they are the people most likely to be able to disintegrate the EU. For the rest do a search on Alexandr Dugin Geopolitics or the 4th Fourth Political Theory and you will see it is an intention of Russia's.
    Of course but that would not happen if European nations move to the far right - and the far righu are the people Russia is supporting. A Europe with a predominance of ethnic nationalism is the very thing the EU was created to overcome. However that is aligned to the US - is it's poodle to greater and lesser degree depending on countries but nonetheless is. Russia would far rather see a Europe on the far right, much nearer her own values and then she can unite as she wishes through the Eurasian Union bringing Europe into her protection rather than that of the US.

    Of course and the far right emphases Christianity. You have said nothing to not tick what I said.

    Interesting to talk to you but I need to go out soon so no more time for posting :)

    You may also be interested in http://diem25.org/
     
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    It may be a vital interest of Russia to keep the EU together. That does not mean she would not prefer them aligned with her and not with the US. - see below
    While I agree with you about wars and the issues with democracy - the reality is that it is the far right which Russia is supporting not surprisingly because a) their views, not all but a great many, suit Russia and more importantly they are the people most likely to be able to disintegrate the EU. For the rest do a search on Alexandr Dugin Geopolitics or the 4th Fourth Political Theory and you will see it is an intention of Russia's.
    Of course but that would not happen if European nations move to the far right - and the far right are the people Russia is supporting. A Europe with a predominance of ethnic nationalism is the very thing the EU was created to overcome. However that is aligned to the US - is it's poodle to greater and lesser degree depending on countries but nonetheless is. Russia would far rather see a Europe on the far right, much nearer her own values and then she can unite as she wishes through the Eurasian Union bringing Europe into her protection rather than that of the US.

    Of course and the far right emphases Christianity to some extent. You have said nothing to not tick what I said.

    Interesting to talk to you but I need to go out soon so no more time for posting :)

    You may also be interested in http://diem25.org/
     
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    Looks more like Russia still tryin' to salvage Syria...
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    Syrian PM says Russia to back new Aleppo attack; opposition says truce near collapse
    April 10, 2016 - The Russian air force and Syrian military are preparing a joint operation to take Aleppo from rebels, the Syrian prime minister was quoted saying on Sunday, and an opposition official said a ceasefire was on the verge of collapse.
     
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    russia doesnt have enough money to keep itself together.
     
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    You forget the fundamental fact that Europe is a Nordic land, invaded from the east and now talking and dividing it together. It is difficult to find the arguments of that but you can find the truth. Maybe the Nordics have men, brain and force to overpass that or it has been so from ever!?
     
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    Laugh with me Brother Hasan...

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    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, that's the gratitude your country deserves for signing pacts with the Nazis to carve up Poland and then enslaving its people after World War II.

    While we'e on the subject of who salvaged Europe, here's a monument that is still standing in Poland:

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    The US did NOT create the Taliban. The Taliban does NOT represent the Mujahideen. A sure way to know if someone is retarded is if they try and claim that the Taliban was the Mujahideen, as the writer if this article clearly did.
     
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    Stupid article. The Taliban didn't exist in 1979.

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    Remnants of the Afghan Mujahideen, formed the Northern alliance that defeated the Taliban.
     

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