Has the Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine been provoked?

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    The main “expert” in Ukrainian affairs is, of course the U.S. President Joe Biden who called the Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine an “unprovoked attack” last year; please see the official website of the White House.

    However, I am going to offer my opinion about this subject in the present article.
    I believe that the first phase of the Ukrainian crisis, which has led to this Military Operation, was a protest movement - the so-called Euromaidan - which started in 2013.

    In the past ten years the question about causes of these protests has been widely debated but no one of Euromaidan supporters could give one single believable cause for it; please see the thread What have Ukrainians been fighting for since 2013?

    However, at some point during Euromaidan, protesters began to burn and kill although such their actions absolutely could not be called a self-defense; please see the thread Was there a threat for ethnic Russians in February 2013 in Ukraine (Crimean question)?

    I believe that the facts, which are described in the above-mentioned thread, were sufficient grounds for the Russian Government’s concerns about future of ethnic Russians, who are the majority in the Crimea, and for acceptance of the Crimea into the Russian Federation in March 2014.

    One may say that Russia did not have to have concerns about ethnic Russians in the Crimea who were Ukrainian citizens at that time.

    However, in the nineties, all of a sudden, the U.S. became deeply concerned about Yugoslav Kosovo which is situated 4 828 miles away from the U.S. and which is not related to the U.S. at all, either ethnically, or historically, etc.
    But nevertheless, Americans decided to separate Kosovo from Yugoslavia because of their concerns about ethnic Albanians there.

    Distance between the Crimea and the Taman Peninsula is - along the Crimean Bridge - 11 miles.
    The majority of Crimean population are ethnic Russians and the Crimea was earlier a part of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.

    So, the Russian government decided to accept the Crimea into the Russian Federation in March 2014; in my opinion, to a great extent due to the fact that protesters in Ukraine had begun to burn and kill during Euromaidan.

    However, after acceptance of the Crimea into the Russian Federation, Ukrainian authorities began to threat with military measures for “re-integration of the Crimea” into Ukraine - please see the official website of the Ukrainian President.
    And these threats were accompanied by large-scale deliveries of Western military equipment to Ukraine.

    Therefore, if we consider the preceding events as a “chain” - please see the flow chart below - we can, in my opinion, conclude that the Russian Military Operation in Ukraine has been provoked by Ukrainians.

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    ""in my opinion, conclude that the Russian Military Operation in Ukraine has been provoked by Ukrainians.""

    US funded biolabs in Ukraine close to the Russian border?... that seems to be another issue...

    Remember ...... what is deleted on the internet never disappears or is truly deleted...
     
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    Indeed. By Putin.
    He wanted to reconquer the soviet empire but it hasn't gone as planned.
    The hard fact is that one country doesn't have the right to invade another country, especially on Putin's flimsy excuse.
    Imagine how Americans would feel if Mexico invaded the southern border of the US on the pretext of protecting their oppressed ethnic compatriots north of the Rio Grande.
     
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    Half of Mexico is already north of the Rio Grande. Invasion complete.
     
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    Why should I imagine some hypothetical Mexican actions, when I know real actions of the U.S.?

    In the nineties, the U.S. bombed Yugoslavia to protect ethnic Albanians in Kosovo which is 4 828 miles away from the U.S. and is not related to the U.S. at all, either ethnically, or historically, etc. - please read the first post of the thread.

    And the declared goal of the U.S. invasion into Iraq - which is 6 197 miles away from the U.S. - was a protection of Iraqis from Saddam Hussein. Wasn’t it?
     
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    What motivates someone to sit down and write a post deflecting blame away from their Uncle Vlad for the Russian attack on Ukraine?
     
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    IMO fantastic channel on YouTube. Kings and Generals does a great job on all matters of historical war, but they’ve also been covering the Ukraine War and recently made this video addressing this exact topic.

    Highly, highly recommend.


    https://youtu.be/bQbP4jTx2wU
     
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    "Squirrell" none of the statements above have anything to do with the Ukraine or in any way show how Russia was "provoked."
     
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    Are soldiers with swastikas on their helmets known for following rules?

    Belgium asks if weapons to Ukraine wound up inside of Russia

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    'multiple media outlets are reporting that some NATO weapons from Belgium may have turned up at the scene of some fighting inside of Russia’s Belgorod region. This has prompted the Belgian government to launch an investigation, saying that the use of their weapons inside the borders of the Russian Federation would be a violation of a “very strict rule” by Ukraine. (AP)'
     
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    I do know that weapons and troops from Russia have turned up in The Ukraine over the last year and also in 2014. Words will not change that.
     
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    Do you think the people crossing the border illegally are Mexicans?
     
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    Please read in Internet about psychological distortions.
    One of such distortions is the so-called “mind reading”. i.e. somebody says that he knows what another person wants or thinks.

    But the fact is that before the the Russian Military Operation in Ukraine the Ukrainian authorities began to threaten with military measures for “re-integration of the Crimea” into Ukraine - please see the first post of the thread.
    And these threats were accompanied by large-scale deliveries of Western military equipment to Ukraine.

    Therefore, if we consider the preceding events as a “chain” - please see the flow chart in the first post of the thread - we can, in my opinion, conclude that the Russian Military Operation in Ukraine has been provoked by Ukrainians.
     
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