Have Environmentalists Become The Enemy?

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  1. Taxcutter

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    ...of working people and consumers?

    It seems every time their mouths open there is another demand for taxation, regulation, and litigation.
     
  2. PeakProphet

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    It seems unlikely that a group fond of taxation, regulation and litigation (perceived by them as save the air, save the planet and stop the destruction of the natural world) would somehow be an enemy. So they are making things more expensive, want the government to watch others to make sure they don't break the rules and use the law of the land to make sure the system works to the advantage of the ecosystems which can't speak for themselves. Hardly an enemy. Could be considered obstructionist possibly, and it would be nice if they would work through the system convincing others of the righteousness of their ways and passing legislation rather than having to be a bit underhanded about it, but at the end of the day they are just people worried about their environment, which we all should be, only with a more active slant.
     
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    Trinnity Banned

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    Yes, absolutely.
     
  4. Taxcutter

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    At this point, any further taxation, regulation or litigation for any reason is a hostile act.
     
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    It is only mediocre public policy decisions that is the problem, not the environment or environmentalism.
     
  6. PeakProphet

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    No it isn't. It is a tax rule change, regulation rule change or change in the law. Those changes are not intrinsicslly hostile. Just because YOU don't like the change, doesn't make it hostile.
     
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    REAL environmentalists are NOT the enemy. I grew up in SW Pa. in the 60's and believe me good regulations based on sound science have saved our home. We had people dropping dead in the streets (google Donora Pa. - where my family is from)and rivers so polluted they could actually catch fire. Young people today have no conception of REAL pollution.

    The "enemy' you speak of are social engineers using the "green" word to make political changes they think are beneficial. Sadly there are more of them than there are true environmentalists, and these watermelons (green on the outside and RED on the inside) get all the press.......

    You can tell the fraud overthe real scientist easily....the fraud will have taxes within the first few sentences of any proposed answer to a problem.(Like the IPCC does)
     
  8. Taxcutter

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    At one time environmentalism was a good thing. I remember the bad old days of LBJ.

    But somewhere along the road (about 1977) the environmental movement morphed into a socialistic monster.
     
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    You could make that same statement about the US of A in general. No point in pretending that the environmentalists are any different than the population in general.
     
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    YES. While I believe the group originally had good intentions they are now like every other government group. Corrupt, power-hungry, stupid.
     
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    Precisely......spot on
     
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    Well, I'm an environmentalist. So are you asking if I'm the enemy? If you are ok with killing wild tigers for a dried penis smoothie or plowing over the last wild wetland in the state to build a 99 cent store. Than yes, I am your enemy. But if you want to work to build sustainable economy that works together with wild life and the environment, then no I (we) am not your enemy. Its quite clear you have some misguided hatred towards Environmentalists, have you really met one? Im not talking about some 14 yr old hippie chick that runs around talking ignorant non sense. Or are you just judging them by what you read on your blogs and hear on radio talk shows. Because, I really do not think you understand us or our agenda.
     
  13. Taxcutter

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    If you support 40 CFR 52.21 and Section 404 of the Clean Water Act, then you are the enemy.
     
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    What part of the 40CFR 52.21 do you disagree with?
     
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    In my opinion, mediocre public policies, with the Peoples' monies, is worse than collective of environmentalists.
     
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    The permit program that has stopped major industrial development in the US since promulgation in 1977.

    No nation on earth has anything like this one.
     
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    If 40 CFR 52.21 were to rise to the level of being merely mediocre it would be an improvement to the Republic.
     

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