Have you ever wondered why Republicans never FIX immigration?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Republicans have had all the necessary tools to FIX immigration several times. During the Bush administration, and during the Trump administration. They had control many times of the Senate, the House the presidency and the Supreme Court.

    So WHY haven't Republicans fixed the problem once and for all?

    What do Republicans do when they are in power? They enact executive orders, emergency resolutions... all types of things that are NOT permanent?

    Filibuster is NOT an excuse. There are MANY ways in which they can negotiate this with Democrats. In fact, Democrats actually PASSED a bi-partisan bill in the Senate that would solve the problem once and for all. At least for the foreseeable future. And it would have easily have passed in the House too.

    But MAGAs refused to bring it up to vote. And they made no secret of the reason WHY. Many of them said it. In a nutshell "because it would work!"

    The politician most interested in killing the bill was... none other than Trump. Here is why.
    A bill that would SOLVE immigration would leave Republicans with nothing to run on. They NEED to keep the immigration issue alive so they can blame democrats for it.

    Now, let's be clear: it's true that immigration is not a priority to democrats. But they HAVE been willing to fix it. Republicans want to keep it alive. So they pass all these "executive orders" and "emergency" measures and "deportation" sprees... to give the APPEARANCE of doing something. When, in reality, none of that actually FIXES the problem.

    So here is reality in a nutshell: The border bill WOULD solve the problem. But Republicans will NEVER pass it. Because it would eliminate their strongest talking point to their base, and leave them with NOTHING to run on.

    Bottom line: if immigration is a relevant issue to you, you NEED to have Democrats in power. I KNOW it's not a priority to Democrats... but they WILL fix it regardless! Republicans will NOT! EVER!
     
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    Democrats want to open the border. That's not the fix I want.
     
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    Fun fact: Trump fixed immigration with the Remain in Mexico agreement.
     
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    Have you ever wondered why Republicans never FIX immigration?

    Nope never wondered because anyone with a thinking brain knows they don't want to fix it because they need/want it to be a wedge issue.
     
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    Which Biden pretty much eliminated most immediately
     
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    Hahahahaha...so there was zero illegal immigration during Trump administration? Do tell.

    And before you go there...I fully supported Trump's immigration policy. But to claim he "fixed" immigration is beyond asinine.
     
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    You want unlimited numbers.
     
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    Trump tried, the democrats stood firmly in the way. Then, when they got in power- magnified the problem 10 times over. But you think they will "fix it"? Seriously?
    Read up on some basic psychology.
     
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    Democrats fought tooth and nail to impede any wall construction even after it was approved by Congress. This administration promptly withdrew from the agreement and sold off wall segments as scrap metal. They then proceeded to create a mobile app to make it easier for human traffickers to dump off immigrants. Sorry, Joe, and Kamela broke immigration.
     
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    No body fixes immigration and if you think the Democrat bill earlier this year would have done a thing to fix it you’re wrong. It was a political magic show is all it was. It didn’t address how easily refugee status is obtained which is the major problem with the whole system.
     
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    I don't agree one bit with Biden's immigration policy...or lack thereof. But again, just don't try to sell me some BS that Trump "fixed" immigration.
     
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    Cool! So you believe there is no problem anymore!
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly!!!!

    Looks like @bclark has a problems with the meaning of the word "fix"
     
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    You appear to have missed my earlier post describing what specific actions this administration took to break the immigration system that Trump had in place.
     
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    He did NOT "try". Not even ONCE. He went through the motions so gullible people THOUGHT he was trying. But it was all just smoke and mirrors.

    The ONLY way to fix immigration is with PERMANENT legislation. Like the bipartisan Immigration bill that passed the Senate and Trump ordered STOPPED!
     
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    What makes you think that?
     
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    You appear to not have read the OP where those "actions" are addressed. I'm talking about SOLVING the problem. Executive orders, emergency measures, deportation orders, separating children from their parents... NONE of those things SOLVE the problem. And immigration LAW, like the one passed by the Senate and that Trump ordered the House to "kill", WOULD!
     
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    Ok... so that's the end of THAT. I mean... why waste time on a problem that can't be fixed?

    Now that THAT issue is settled... I wonder what Republicans will run on?
     
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    The party leaders know the economy would collapse if they addressed immigration issues.

    The party leaders have businesses that rely on immigrant labor.
    It costs money to make the immigration process run smoother and faster. They don't want to spend money to make immigration a quicker efficient process.
    The people who vote R, think the leaders actually care, because they pay lip service to immigration. But in over 40 yrs, never address it in congress.

    Even this past year, the R congress killed a bill with trump begging, to not spend money on the immigration issues.
     
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    Farmers will lose lots of very cheap labor if we actually deport all the illegal immigrants.

    That will significantly raise food costs.

    Republicans don't want to be responsible for that.

    They also be forced to deport lots of illegal construction workers. Which will raise construction costs. Which means more expensive homes.

    Republicans don't want to be responsible for that.
     
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    President Biden dramatically expanded the use of his “parole” authority in January 2023 to permit around 30,000 Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans to legally enter the United States each month and to remain here for up to two years.


    Trump may have not fixed the problem, but he didn’t pull crap like that.
     
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    Funner fact: The USSC ended the policy.

    ...xxx
    Explaining the Supreme Court immigration ruling on ‘Remain in Mexico’

    Ending "Remain in Mexico" does not violate immigration law
    The lower courts said the Biden administration broke immigration law by rescinding the "Remain in Mexico" program, but the Supreme Court disagreed.

    Customs and Border Protection usually has two options when immigrants entering the country illegally are taken into custody: they can be detained or released while they wait for their court hearing.

    The law says an immigrant "shall" be detained while their immigration case is pending. But DHS has never had the capacity to detain all immigrants awaiting proceedings. Instead, DHS prioritizes which immigrants to detain.

    Under immigration law, Congress also says the government "may" return an immigrant back to the country they came from to await their immigration proceedings.

    The appeals court ruled that since the law says the government "shall" detain all immigrants and detention capacity is insufficient, the government must then return to Mexico all immigrants that can’t be detained. But the Supreme Court disagreed.

    Congress wrote that the government "may" return immigrants which does not mean they must. In the decision, Roberts pointed out that "no administration has ever used" that section of the law "to return all such aliens that it could not otherwise detain."
    https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/jul/07/explaining-supreme-court-immigration-ruling-remain/
     
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    It can be fixed but not by that bill. That bill was a dog and pony show. When you have a president and VP that overuse their parole authority for immigration it wouldn’t have mattered anyway. It also
    Doesn’t curb the presidents ability to use parole authority.

    If the bill doesn’t fix the problem, it should not be passed as if it will.
     
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    You approve of trump killing the bill which would put limits.
     
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    Ending "Remain in Mexico" does not violate immigration law
    The lower courts said the Biden administration broke immigration law by rescinding the "Remain in Mexico" program, but the Supreme Court disagreed.

    Customs and Border Protection usually has two options when immigrants entering the country illegally are taken into custody: they can be detained or released while they wait for their court hearing.

    The law says an immigrant "shall" be detained while their immigration case is pending. But DHS has never had the capacity to detain all immigrants awaiting proceedings. Instead, DHS prioritizes which immigrants to detain.

    Under immigration law, Congress also says the government "may" return an immigrant back to the country they came from to await their immigration proceedings.

    The appeals court ruled that since the law says the government "shall" detain all immigrants and detention capacity is insufficient, the government must then return to Mexico all immigrants that can’t be detained. But the Supreme Court disagreed.

    Congress wrote that the government "may" return immigrants which does not mean they must. In the decision, Roberts pointed out that "no administration has ever used" that section of the law "to return all such aliens that it could not otherwise detain."
    https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/jul/07/explaining-supreme-court-immigration-ruling-remain/

    ...xxx

    Senate GOP blocks border bill, Democrats shift focus to Israel and Ukraine aid

    Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said he will move to a "Plan B" to move aid to Ukraine and Israel following the failure of a vote to start debate on a bipartisan border security package.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/02/07/1229785349/border-deal-ukraine-aid-senate
     

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