health insurance, how we got in this fix

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  1. AlNewman

    AlNewman Well-Known Member

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    Yes I do, I imagine a world free of looters and moochers. But I'm not a dreamer, I fight to make my imagination come true instead of crying in someone's beer.
     
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    Again with the misconceptions, always with misconceptions. I've probably had internet access before you were ever born, not because I wanted it but because I was capable of making it happen. Has nothing to do with "society", that is just another of your delusions.

    I would suggest you actually study philosophy before trying to make a philosophical determination. For you I would suggest either Plato - Kant - Hegal.
     
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    Yes and you see "moochers" under every rock and in every house that isn't flying the flag.
     
  4. AlNewman

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    Actually got it exactly right, perhaps you should review, this time try to comprehend.
     
  5. AlNewman

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    Yeah, that is where a lot of the moochers and leeches live, under rocks and other damp dark places. But actually I would say in every house flying the flag.
     
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    YES, I built a computer in my bedroom out of a flashlight, a shortwave radio, a couple of hairpins, and a sardine can back in 1967. I started working on an internet but I had to go into the military for a while.
     
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    Your words speak for themselves. No need for me to say anything more.
     
  8. dairyair

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    Before I was born. LOL. I had B/W tv. No microwave. Party line phones.

    I don't get into philosophy. It's nothing but 1 person's opinion. Just like your opinion, you acting with and in society, doesn't mean you are a part of society. Mostly hot air BS, this philosophy. And your post proves this.
     
  9. dairyair

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    He think he's a philosopher. And will make things up to believe in his mind things that aren't actual in the real world.
     
  10. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know whether you're being serious or not and whether to laugh or cry at or about your comments.

    No, not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouth or capacity to make changes due to an array of circumstances. Everyone should have an opportunity to climb out of the pit of poverty. A sick relative could set back a family including children from continuing down a cycle. It's not just financial but pyschologically.
    A nation needs its people to be healthy and happy, which then transfers into productivity. Less productive people, less competitiveness and increase in the divide between haves and have nots that will eventually destroy the fabric of any society.

    The funny thing is that people like you cry about crime and violence but continue to marginalise people, which is essentially snowballing the circumstances that create these circumstances by denying life's essentials and opportunities to break cycles. Collectiveness is not in anyway wrong. It doesn't mean communism. All functional families operate on this one premise, which basically can be applied on a larger scale regarding people within a nations state. Not everyone will all of a sudden, who are down in the doldrums, will climb out but it will certainly open the door for many who will utilise the opportunity. Humans don't want to live in poverty and despair unless of course they have a serious mental illness. They simply lack capacity to climb out for various reasons.
    I obviously have a different take on human kind.
     
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    Single payer systems work all over the world. You only have to look. Don't want to look? No worries.
     
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    Yeah, before you were born as you are still but a child with no concept of reality no matter your physical age (by the way there was no TV and my mom was an operator to handle inter-exchange calls). I was also manager of teams that developed and built the electronic devices that made digital communications possible.

    Is that a surprise to yourself that you have no philosophy? It wasn't to me, it's very obvious to me that you do have a philosophy based on the works of Plato as expounded by the likes of Kant and Hegel. Sad really as this is the philosophy of collectivism, the creed of the slave. This philosophy is always present in the ignorant masses just before the next tyrant takes over and kills off all those masses as has happened so many times in history. But I take great pleasure in knowing that as a dissenter I will go on the front end and not have to experience the whole travesty but knowing the idiots are not far behind me.
     
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    A minute ago you didn't know what a philosopher was and now you are an expert, imagine, well actually delusion.
     
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    Still no comprehension, eh Einstein?
     
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    Why would it be a surprise to me? I have known for decades philosophy is pure BS. Something for people bored out of their wits to talk about in abstract terms. People with no real life experiences.
     
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    How is that an expert. It is exactly what you think. You want to discuss things in a philosophical manner. You brought it up, so I don't need to be an expert. Just take what you say. LOL.
     
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    Should have stopped at "I don't know". As to the rest, I could care less about what you know or don't know or whether you laugh or cry, those are your problems and have nothing to do with me.

    Silver spoon, nice trite little label. But as you not only know anything about me nor it seems comprehend what I write, you have no clue about personal responsibility, morals, or principles or you would not say what you have just posted.

    There is no nation!!! Have you ever met a nation, shake it's hand? That is but an illusion to get all the little sheeple to believe they were born as slaves and need strong masters to lead them. What ignorant sheeple!!! And do you think all the little tyrants that rule over you care whether you are healthy or happy? Obviously not or you would stop your whining and crying and do something for yourself.

    Cry about crime and violence, not likely, I end it. Spreading what little brains they have all over the lawn will provide great fertilizer even if just such a small patch and the crime and violence is over. Kind of hard to continue crime when there are no victims.

    Collectivism is not only wrong but the utmost evil. It does mean communism and socialism and fascism and all the other isms. It is the creed of the moochers and freeloaders. It is the creed of believing others owe you just because you are alive, I say die, I don't care. I refuse to pay your bill.

    You first must understand "human kind" before you can have a take on it, period!!!!
     
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    The moochers always want to help society by taking from others
     
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    Let me take from you, or you're selfish. Heard it a million times. Lame
    Your collective help involves subsidizing yourself at the expense of others.
     
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    How would you know what I think? How can one state they know what another thinks when they little understand what they themselves think?

    In a philosophical manner, what other manner is there for discussion? What a revelation to yourself as others already knew, "why be an expert when you can just spout bull". Seems to be your standard procedure.

    I doubt you ever take what I say, it shows.
     
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    I can read what you post, if you're not posting what you think, why not?
    Why should I take what you say?
    You've given nothing that is nothing but bull from my point of view.
     
  22. AlNewman

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    You read what I post but have no clue as to the thought process that generated the quote so do not mistakenly suppose you even know what I think. It is far beyond your comprehension.

    You are the one that made the claim, I rebutted it. As to why, that does not seem a part of your repertoire.

    Of course it would be bull and will always continue to be bull from your point of view. It is not I that would dispute that in your regard.
     
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    Yet out of the blue in one of, if not the 1st post, you responded to me, you suggested I go read 3 philosophers. So I can comprehend.
    You personal attacks is so unbecoming.
    Made what claim? See, I can do philosophy.
    People who try to use philosophy will most always be bull from my point of view. I stated that to you already.
     
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    How does one "use" philosophy?
     
  25. truthvigilante

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    Sorry, my bad. I didn't realise you guys lived in the hills. It would certainly be hard to understand civilisation from that perspective.
     

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