Here's why Trump's Ukraine misdeeds are a big (impeachable) deal

A cogent analysis by a conservative writer. Whether you agree or disagree with impeachment, this lays out why what Trump is KNOWN to have done is impeachable.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...s-ukraine-misdeeds-are-a-big-impeachable-deal

The key point:


In short, these circumstances involve a president using the prestige of his office to urge a foreign government to harass the president’s main political rival. In such a case, it doesn’t even matter if the political rival is guilty. Even if the rival is guilty of some foreign violation, that is not a reasonable excuse for the president to use such pressure. Remember, there are so far no substantive allegations — zero, zilch, nada — that either the rival or his son broke U.S. law. The president has no authority or legitimate interest in this based on his public office; his only interest here is political, meaning to hurt his rival....

Remember, both the president and his lawyer have now acknowledged the essentials of this situation. The lawyer carried on these efforts for months, while reporting to the president. The president used an Oval Office phone call to emphasize his interest — eight times, reportedly — in the case. If these reports remain uncontradicted, and barring context that makes them more palatable, this is a big deal.

Already, then, even without a suggested quid pro quo involving U.S. military assistance, what we appear to have is an entirely illegitimate mingling of the president's personal political interests with his diplomatic and law enforcement powers.


And that is why we have to impeach, even if Senate Republicans decide they'd rather defend Trump than the Constitution. Because what Trump has done is unequivocally impeachable.

 

Nancy Pelosi is telling people she thinks impeachment is inevitable.
https://www.axios.com/inside-nancy-...ing-8179516b-5a2d-49f8-a615-4dacaff707ca.html

It feels like the dam has broken, and we could see impeachment hearings very soon.

 

Urge now, lol wow frantically moving the goal posts. I thought we were talking about bribery, wow ya'll change opinions so quick it's hard to keep up.

 

Please show where I've moved any goalposts. I think this is the first time I've expressed the opinion that Trump should be impeached. Like Pelosi, I've been reluctant to go there.

But as the article shows, Trump's actions are an abuse of power whether or not aid was attached to it.

Still, I'd love to know if you agree with the following statements:

"It's perfectly okay for a president to use the power of his office to pressure a foreign power to investigate his chief political rival."

"Trump is right when he claims that a president can't even be investigated while in office."

 

She hasn’t wanted to go there because she knew he would double down on the “they’re picking on me!” Boo hoo that his fans LOVE!

But this is about more than Trump

This is about the separation of powers an essential and vital core element of any democracy. I am not just talking here about the separation of the branches, judicial legislative and executive but also the separation of powers within personal gain and governmental interest

 

Trump has every right to discuss corruption with a country getting US aid.

 

it's just the next thing you're going to try and throw Trump and I doubt it's going to stick.

The tax thing didn't work, Comey thing didn't work the manafort crap didn't work the Stormy Daniels nonsense didn't work. And that's just a 4 I can think of off the top of my head.

They're so desperate to find something on this guy. they have been chasing one wild-goose after another after another for the entirety of his presidency.

 

Way to not really address the substance of the OP.

Do you agree or disagree with the following statements:

"It's perfectly okay for a president to use the power of his office to pressure a foreign power to investigate his chief political rival."

"Trump is right when he claims that a president can't even be investigated while in office."

 

It looks like Democrats, NeverTrumpers, and assorted swamp rats are in full protect mode.

 

This is the play that the lefties are demanding to watch. If you look at this in a dispassionate way, the calculus here seems to suggest that democrats are entirely willing to destroy themselves. The only question is why.

So, on the one hand, game on, but a cautionary part of me still finds it such a waste of time for such an insignificant cause that the left have chosen to self immolate. Sad? For sure. Overcome with emotional angst? never..

 

It’s amazing that no republicans on this forum will say this is wrong, not impeachable but wrong?

 

there is no substance it's just the latest witch Hunt. It's past the point of fatigue.

I'm not addressing any of these moronic conspiracy theories. They're all fake.

 

You will never prove a quid pro quo. Trump had every right to discuss corruption to a nation getting US foreign aid. It's starting on Biden, he got very testy today when asked about his demanding a judge investigating his son be removed.

 

Corruption? So you think many instances of corruption came up? Or just 1??

 

Maybe they don't want their corruption to be exposed.

 

Is it wrong for a sitting vice president to use the power of his office to pressure a foreign government to end an investigation, and fire the investigator, that involves his son?

If that happened, do you think it would be important to find out the truth about it?

 

Oh, have some courage. The statements I asked you about were not conspiracy theories. They were simply statements about presidential behavior. Feel free to agree/disagree while stating "I don't think Trump did that". But I'm interested in whether you agree/disagree with the statements as a matter of principle.

 

We already know the truth of that. Biden was VP, not president. He was not acting on his own; he was acting at the direction of Obama and in cooperation with our allies, both of whom had long pressed for that prosecutor to be fired.

What is it with conservatives and ignoring obvious facts in order to gin up conspiracy theories?

 

so it takes courage now to believe in whatever flavor of the month hoax is going to get Donald Trump impeached?

Sorry that's not going to work on me.

Not interested in reading about hoaxes.

 

People making all these claims and never read the transcripts. It's not responsible, pathetic, and tells us they are just petty partisans.

 

if Trump threatened to withhold Congressionally approved foreign aid, unless the President Ukraine agreed to investigate Biden's son, that is a crime.

 

Yes. Something is really amiss here. I think they realize Biden and Son are totally screwed, so they are going on the offensive.

Here a nice little fact released by a forensic accountant. The $188,000 monthly payment to Biden's company was washed through 2 other nations via wire before being sent to his U.S. Based company. Why do that?

 

They want so desperately to impeach Trump so they'll believe anything.

 

Of course they wanted him fired! He was investigating their corruption!

 

No, it takes courage to answer a general question on principle, without reference to partisan interest.

Wow. Trump supporters can't even bring themselves to say that a president declaring himself above the law is wrong. Do you guys have ANY principles left?