Hillary Clinton vs Rand Paul

Whether you like the fact or not, the Fourteenth, from many accounts, was ratified illegally.( the Sixteenth was, as well ) Now, whether it was or wasn't, the Radical Republican Congress set about integrating the schools in Washington, DC, as the Law they had just crammed down the throats of America, was not a violation of the

Whether you like it or not, SCOTUS, for about 50 years held that segregation or integration, was a function of the sovereign states and did not violate the letter of the Equal Opportunity Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. I will ask you again, what changed from May 16, 1954, to may 17, 1954, that changed the law. Could it be said that SCOTUS MADE LAW? You may be interested to know, as well, that SCOTUS on May 17, 1954, was composed of all liberals after the packing by FDR, Truman, and Ike.

I certainly will not argue that integration was not needed in some form or another. After seeing what integration has done to the schools in the last 60 years, I have to wonder if the efficacy of the ruling has been that beneficial to either Black children or White children.

 

Whose fault was it that those amendments were added that way? The South chose to secede and they lost the war, thus they had no expectations of being able to ANY input in their governance whatsoever. Had it been me I would have removed all the Southern landowners altogether and replaced with with loyal Northern landowners like most respectable military victors have done in the past. The fought a war that cost over 600,000 American lives to defend SLAVERY. Sorry if I don't feel the slightest bit of sympathy for them.

 

Slavery was not the issue, else 10000 free Blacks would not have 'Seen The Elephant". Plus many more Black slaves worked as laborers to help in the logistics of the South. Slavery only became an issue two years into the war when Lincoln thought Great Britain and a few other European nations may have joined on the side of the South.

FYI, many Yankees did acquire land as Carpetbaggers in the South.

Why do you suppose so many Northern newspapers were shut down? Why were so many supposedly Yankees that spoke out against the war, imprisoned by Lincoln's orders without habeas corpus? which only Congress can declare? Why was it unconstitutional for Lincoln to call for an army of 75000 men to march on South Carolina? ( which had seceded before he took office )

What gave Lincoln the power to arrest and deport to the South an Indiana Congressman, Charles Vladingham? By what authority did Lincoln sign an arrest warrant ( never served at the discretion of the US Marshall ) for Roger Taney, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court?

The simple fact is Lincoln and the Corporate Yankee Big Wigs were afraid of losing the income that ran the government and supported the infrastructure in the North. Slavery was not the main issue. His writings and the writings of several Yankee newspaper editorials proved the issue was primarily over tariffs.

 

What does Lincoln suspending habeous corpus have anything to do with passing the amendments? The North won the war and passed the amendments in spite of the South. Their very act of rebellion and subsequent loss of clout is no different than a felon losing the right to own a gun or to vote. The South acted in a treasonous manner and the ONLY reason they had a voice was because they were allowed back into the Union. Lincoln was a hell of a lot nicer than I would have been. I would have grabbed every last bit of Southern property and distributed all of it to Northerners. This wasn't just a little tiff this was a major humongous war that to this day is reponsible for more American lives lost than any other war including WW2 which only came to 400,000. As far as I am concerned the derpy south lost any and all rights and priviliges once they seceded, they were nothing more than conquered territory at the end of the Civil War. Lincoln was the best possible thing for the South because he wanted to get the country back together again as quickly as possible. As I said he was far more generous than I would have been to the traiterous slavers.

 

All completely uncalled for. My point was the South had not seceded over Slavery.

It would have been better if Lincoln had not been assassinated five days after Lee's surrender, but he was. It would have been much better if he had not goaded the South into firing on Sumter, which, BTW, caused no casualties to those in the fort.

When the US seceded from England, there was a revolution to follow. Luckily the US won that one or we would all still be speaking The Queens English. When the present union seceded from the Confederated States, was it treason?

Reconstruction was a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) for the South, destroying a portion of the country for 100 years. Just possibly you do consider that just. Many would disagree with you.

 

Have you considered that maybe if a Southern sympathizer hadn't assassinated the President that reconstruction might have not gone as bad. Even then compared to what myself and many others would have done in their shoes it was a piece of cake for a traitorous bastards.

The Civil War was entirely about slavery and for allowing the Southern gentry to continue playing "aristocracy" and in fact they were far more similar to the British in that regard with their Dukes and Earls. The South wanted to maintain slavery simple as that, the entire war was about money simple as that. How can you possible say that free labor for their crops wan't a motivating factor.

The South got what they had coming and deserved it all.

Ironically in today's world the South has some of the fastest growing economic regions in the country. Virtually all the new automotive plants from domestic and foreign companies are being built in the South due in part to being Right to Work states. If they continue to keep to Republican/LIbertarian principles they could become the new center of economic activity in the county since CA is drying up and the rust belt is losing influence.

 

The South wanted to maintain slavery simple as that, the entire war was about money simple as that. How can you possible say that free labor for their crops wan't a motivating factor.[/quote] Didn't say it was, though truthfully, it wasn't necessarily free. Sumter, as other ports, were tariff ports, high tariffs were imposed on goods leaving the South and on goods entering the South. The South made it plain tariffs would be lowered to a minimum The Yankee newspapers and Lincoln bemoaned that fact as it would take away their lucrative source of money.

In your mind, of course.

 

Didn't say it was, though truthfully, it wasn't necessarily free. Sumter, as other ports, were tariff ports, high tariffs were imposed on goods leaving the South and on goods entering the South. The South made it plain tariffs would be lowered to a minimum The Yankee newspapers and Lincoln bemoaned that fact as it would take away their lucrative source of money.



In your mind, of course.[/QUOTE]

Post one single source that says slavery was not a primary factor of the Civil War. You keep saying it wasn't but everyone else on the planet says otherswise....except for the inbred cousin (*)(*)(*)(*)ers from the Deep South who drive around with Confederate flags on their pick up trucks. Do you have a Confederate flag on your pick up truck?

The South (you guys) lost the war because the South was evil and no better than Nazi Germany. That generation deserved everything it got coming to them. Between the slavery and the treatment of Union soldiers in Confederate internment camps that were no better than the Nazi concentration camps or the Soviet gulags. The South was a pathetic example of the worst of humanity all in one area. Greedy, narcissistic, denying people their liberties, cruel and generally just evil. They had it coming and I would have stripped all of them of their property and wealth if I had been in charge and left them homeless, starving and destitute for the rest of their pathetic lives.

My ancestors fought for the North, the WINNING side, the side that fought against slavery and for liberty and freedom. Your ancestors fought for slavers and people who actively denied people their freedoms. You might as well be a descendant of Gerbels or Lenin.

"The secession of the Southern states (in chronological order, South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina) in 1860–61 and the ensuing outbreak of armed hostilities were the culmination of decades of growing sectional friction over the related issues of slavery, trade and tariffs, and the doctrine of states’ rights. This friction arose out of fundamental differences between the economies of the Northern and Southern states. The North had a growing manufacturing sector and small farms using free labour, while the South’s economy was based on large farms (plantations) using slave labour. In the 1840s and ’50s the Northern states wanted to prohibit slavery in the western territories that would eventually become new states. The Southern states opposed all efforts to block the expansion of slavery and feared that the North’s stance would eventually endanger existing slaveholdings in the South itself. By the 1850s, some Northerners had begun calling for the complete abolition of slavery, while several Southern states threatened to secede from the Union as a means to protect their right to keep slaves. When Abraham Lincoln, the candidate of the antislavery Republican Party, was elected president in late 1860, the Southern states carried out their threat and seceded, organizing as the Confederate States of America."

"The American Civil War, also known as the War Between the States or simply the Civil War (see naming), was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 in the United States after several[3] Southern slave states declared their secession and formed the Confederate States of America (the "Confederacy" or the "South"). The states that remained were known as the "Union" or the "North". The war had its origin in the fractious issue of slavery, especially the extension of slavery into the western territories.[4] Foreign powers did not intervene. After four years of bloody combat that left over 600,000 soldiers dead and destroyed much of the South's infrastructure, the Confederacy collapsed, slavery was abolished, and the difficult Reconstruction process of restoring national unity and guaranteeing rights to the freed slaves began."

 

Post one single source that says slavery was not a primary factor of the Civil War. You keep saying it wasn't but everyone else on the planet says otherswise....except for the inbred cousin (*)(*)(*)(*)ers from the Deep South who drive around with Confederate flags on their pick up trucks. Do you have a Confederate flag on your pick up truck?

The South (you guys) lost the war because the South was evil and no better than Nazi Germany. That generation deserved everything it got coming to them. Between the slavery and the treatment of Union soldiers in Confederate internment camps that were no better than the Nazi concentration camps or the Soviet gulags. The South was a pathetic example of the worst of humanity all in one area. Greedy, narcissistic, denying people their liberties, cruel and generally just evil. They had it coming and I would have stripped all of them of their property and wealth if I had been in charge and left them homeless, starving and destitute for the rest of their pathetic lives.

My ancestors fought for the North, the WINNING side, the side that fought against slavery and for liberty and freedom. Your ancestors fought for slavers and people who actively denied people their freedoms. You might as well be a descendant of Gerbels or Lenin.

"The secession of the Southern states (in chronological order, South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina) in 1860–61 and the ensuing outbreak of armed hostilities were the culmination of decades of growing sectional friction over the related issues of slavery, trade and tariffs, and the doctrine of states’ rights. This friction arose out of fundamental differences between the economies of the Northern and Southern states. The North had a growing manufacturing sector and small farms using free labour, while the South’s economy was based on large farms (plantations) using slave labour. In the 1840s and ’50s the Northern states wanted to prohibit slavery in the western territories that would eventually become new states. The Southern states opposed all efforts to block the expansion of slavery and feared that the North’s stance would eventually endanger existing slaveholdings in the South itself. By the 1850s, some Northerners had begun calling for the complete abolition of slavery, while several Southern states threatened to secede from the Union as a means to protect their right to keep slaves. When Abraham Lincoln, the candidate of the antislavery Republican Party, was elected president in late 1860, the Southern states carried out their threat and seceded, organizing as the Confederate States of America."

"The American Civil War, also known as the War Between the States or simply the Civil War (see naming), was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 in the United States after several[3] Southern slave states declared their secession and formed the Confederate States of America (the "Confederacy" or the "South"). The states that remained were known as the "Union" or the "North". The war had its origin in the fractious issue of slavery, especially the extension of slavery into the western territories.[4] Foreign powers did not intervene. After four years of bloody combat that left over 600,000 soldiers dead and destroyed much of the South's infrastructure, the Confederacy collapsed, slavery was abolished, and the difficult Reconstruction process of restoring national unity and guaranteeing rights to the freed slaves began."[/QUOTE]

I could post links out the wazoo, but you wouldn't like them, so why bother.

Let's just say my fifth great grandfather fought the Redcoats at King's Mountain. His grandson, my third great grandfather, fought the Redcoats at New Orleans. Both were fighting for freedom. My second great grandfather in the same lineage, fought the Yankees with Hood's Brigade after having moved the family to Texas in 1850. He fought for freedom. They were all Americans. In fact, except for the influx of the Hessians, socialist and communist refugees ( Forty-Eighters ) that fought for the North, everyone, North and South were Americans.

You can continue to believe the Myth concocted by the winners all you want- I choose otherwise. Have a nice day.

 

As a Libertarian, I could not vote for either.

 

Hillary is responsible for Benghazi and her subsequent statement about it. That alone should disqualify her. Then along with the fact she enabled to sleaziest President to ever hold the office engage in his abhorent behavior with women he had power over should also make her that last choice of anyone. Then add in how she and her husband used their political power to enrich themselves and the corrupt behavior they engaged in with their corrupt friends an colleges many of whom went to jail for those associations.

Lastly her record of failure and no significant accomplishment why would any one vote FOR her? She has NO business every being given the public trust again.

 

Hillary would get my vote.