Historical mysteries:12,000 Years city in Kurdistan. older then Pyramids, and anythin

I really must apologize, I had no idea I'd trespassed into a hallowed chamber of scientific academia. I should have realized that the high standards for evidence on internet forums precludes that kind of nonsense.

 

Only if you want to be taken seriously and not as some kind of troll or Conspiracy Theorist.

 

Looks like from the attitude being displayed we trod on someone pet theory

 

There are lots of "junk information" floating around the Internet since Google Maps became available. Now you have scores of people doing such "research" from their computers at home, and each sure they have found something "lost", and that it is being suppressed if it is not believed.

[video=youtube;Zxt3Sn4fwx0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxt3Sn4fwx0[/video]

This was one I discovered a few years ago, and it was all I could do not to laugh at the lady who made it. There had long been stories of a "secret underground city" under the base, with missile silos, tunnel running to Long Beach, and all kinds of nonsense.

All on a base who's highest elevation is only 13 feet above sea level!

No, we had no "underground facilities" at Seal Beach. There were also no "gun emplacements" there, those were all at Fort MacArthur in San Pedro. And if you want to get an idea of the scale difference, this is Google Maps at highest zoom at where her "gun positions" were:

https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.729155,-118.078943&spn=0.00068,0.000569&t=h&z=21

And this is what a real "gun position" looks like, at Fort MacArthur:

https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.711506,-118.295593&spn=0.00068,0.000569&t=h&z=21

And here is another one up in San Francisco:

https://maps.google.com/?ll=37.827346,-122.490146&spn=0.000913,0.001137&t=h&z=20

Now to add some scale:



What she shows in her video is simply the remains of an anti-aircraft position that had been abandoned towards the end of WWII. And I doubt her story that she used to "crawl around there" as a child, it was still a high security base at that time.

This is the danger of amateurs trying to do this kind of "research". Invariably it is all wrong, you need "boots on the ground" to do any kind of realistic research.

I bet if CAP had seen her video he would have been talking about secret underground tunnels and the like as well.

 

In the Mediterranean the case is different , cities built as ports in the past are now inland , probably because the Med is almost like a lake .

There was a guy in the TV few months ago explaining how Dounab laying material in the black sea changed sea streams and pushed them several meters into the Bulgarian soil , the way rivers are influencing sea streams is very hard to predict or explain so i doubt that we know how deltas were 5k years before.

 

Conspiracy theories? The Tea Party types have that job all to themselves on this forum.

 

Do you spend all your time mischaracterizing other peoples statements. And by the way, it's way more than obvious that you are no scientist. Though I'm sure you can read links like an expert.

 

That is mostly because of silting, primarily at the mouths of rivers and in deltas.

But it is hardly the norm, look at Venice, which is in an unending battle to keep from disappearing into the sea.

But yes we actually do know. We also know how much the Tigris and Euphrates silts up every year, and where some of the older coast cities are which are now inland. And there is even ample evidence to the Black Sea being flooded in around 5500 BCE.

[video=youtube;URPaMGjnCvU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URPaMGjnCvU[/video]

 

A small correction , Venice is sitting on a swamp not in a delta , we have a couple of areas like that here with buildings standing on sticks.
I have not read about the black sea but many big rivers end up here and they all come from areas frozen during the ice age .

 

*sigh*

Trust me, I do not make up things as I go along.

Venice is sitting in the region where the Po (1,500 M2 per second) and Piave Rivers meet. Yes, the region is a swamp, just like the entire Mississippi Delta is a Swamp. It is a swamp because it is a delta, not a swamp simply because it is a swamp and not a delta.

Most of the land around Venice has disappeared because of both rising sea levels, as well as the taming of the rivers preventing the depositing of new silt in the delta region.

Nothing to do with the other. If it was made by rivers, then it would be fresh water and not salt water.

 

[video=youtube;MKs5Wvv1-14]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKs5Wvv1-14[/video] the first city in Kurdistan

 

The Great Pyramids and huge, magnificent, conspicuous temples and monuments of Egypt and the mideast are literally located in the backyards of Biblical scholars and religious men of that time period, including Jesus himself. So why is it that not one of these imposing and impressive structures is ever mentioned in the Bible?

 

Excavations at the Körtiktepe settlement in the southeastern province of Diyarbakır’s Bismil district have revealed various types of weaving designs. Aesthetic values were very important in Körtiktepe, according to the head of the excavations, who says the community’s dead were decorated with aesthetic designs.





The excavations at Diyarbakır’s Körtiktepe have been continuing since 2000 as part of a project to rescue cultural artifacts that will be submerged once the controversial Ilısu Dam is completed, inundating a large area in Southeast Anatolia. The excavations suggest that the site may have been an incubator of early textile production. AA photos
Researchers working at a dig at Körtiktepe in the southeastern province of Diyarbakır’s Bismil district have unearthed traces of weaving dating back 12,000 years ago, suggesting the site may have been an incubator of early textile production, according to the excavation’s head.

“The bodies, bones and objects that we have examined and the textile samples on them are not prototypes. There were many weaving techniques 12,000 years ago. There are samples of various types of designs. In previous periods, the weaving was standard. But we can see all stages of the development of weaving,” said Professor Vecihi Özkaya, the head of the Dicle University Archaeology Department and the Körtiktepe excavation. “It is apparent that textiles were developed there.”

The excavations have continued since 2000 as part of a project to rescue cultural artifacts that will be submerged once the controversial Ilısu Dam is completed, inundating a large area in Southeast Anatolia. Körtiktepe is located at the confluence of the Tigris River and the Batman Stream close to the Diyarbakır-Batman border.

Özkaya said aesthetic values were also very important in Körtiktepe, adding that the bodies of the dead, as well as pots and pans, were decorated with aesthetic designs.

Körtiktepe was a witness to many firsts, the professor said, noting that social life and many concepts regarding the concrete and abstract worlds had developed in Körtiktepe..

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http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ex...signs.aspx?pageID=238&nID=29792&NewsCatID=375

 

Weaving 12,000 years ago? I have to admit that is shocking information- would not have expected that techology to exist that far back.

 

Pretty cool, huh?

 

Always- science is showing more and more that ancient peoples travelled more than we thought, and developed technologies earlier than we thought. I am fascinated by this stuff.

 

That's true.. interesting times we live in for archeology.

 

And anthropology and linguistics.

 

Not really a mystery, they were not in the region that became Israel or Judea.

Petra was in the area (Jordan), and they were never mention either.

 

Why not?

The American Indians were still a neolithic culture and they had textiles, and the technique is similar to making baskets, which also existed at the time.

More then likely the only reason it is not traced back even further is that textiles and baskets tend to decompose, while pottery and bones do not.

 

ps
anyone who knows history knows that Hittites ("Ukrainian" indo-European emigrants) iron - civilization were greater then bronze - Egyptian one

[video=youtube;Jq9FyI6D-xo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq9FyI6D-xo[/video]

 

Geez, Akhanaten was half black from his mother's side Te who was Nubian. Later Egypt was ruled by Nubians and had its Pharaohs. Akhanaten was interesting because he developed a Sun cult, and Obama could possibly relate given he said in 2008 his opponents often get cranky since they don't get enough Sun. Is that true litwin?

 

Sorry, complete fail.

Akhenaten was the son of Amenhotep III and Tiye. ANd while Tiye did come from Upper Egypt, she was not Numidian. Her father was Yuya, an Egyptian military commander, priest, and wealthy land owner. Her mother Thuya was descended of the Egyptian Royal Line, and a Priestess.

Sorry, but there is no evidence at all that any of his family was Nubian. Nice try. Rejected just like the pointless political injection you made.

 

No, the Hittites were not an Iron Age civilization, but they were on the way.

One of the things that distinguishes each age is not so much that they had or used what the age is named after, but that it was widely adopted for tools, especially in weapons.

And while the Hittites were an early developer of Iron, it was primarily for decorative purposes. Very few tools or weapons of Iron have been found by them. Kind of like the Aztecs, who were using copper and even primitive bronze, but only as currency and decoration, their tools were still all wood, bone and stone. So they are classified as Neolithic, even though they had the technology to advance. They simply never did.

 

Sure, Te or Tiye was a priestess and a daughter of an Egyptian military commander who was of a Nubian or Numidian descent. Completely true. Look it up. The political injection was relevant since such remarks were made in the 2008 campaign. That's Why any time Obama doesn't get his way, rather than getting cranky he bolts for Hawaii.